On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Anyone got any idea how to can get more machines to report to
popcon.debian.org? Or can there be some other problem causing the fall
in the number of submissions?
One thing Fedora does for their stats tools in the install is that if you
say
Quoting Patrick Matthäi (pmatth...@debian.org):
Maybe the default value at d-i for popcon should be set to true
(report popcon statistics).
atm it is false.
To people who would be tempted to followup on this and yell and Thou
Shalt Not Do This with arguments about ${privacy}, I suggest
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Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (p...@hungry.com):
The number of submissions to the Debian popularity-contest collector
is falling, and has done so for some time now. This can be easily
seen on URL: http://popcon.debian.org/stat/sub-i386.png .
Well, would that be a tremendous scoop that the
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 05:18:13PM -0400, Holger Levsen wrote:
I think there should be a popcon mode where it only reports the
installed packages.
and it should be the default.
Why? IMHO the number of packages which are *really* used is much more
interesting than all the packages which
On 20.07.2010 17:26, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
The popularity-contest package also work fine with relatime.
Thanks for bringing this up. I guess we should look at the FAQ or
something to make it clear on this point. Where did you get the idea
that popcon don't work with noatime?
I don't
On 2010-07-12 19:33:15 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
We don't have nvidia hardware, so maybe our perception is flawed. If
people think we should keep that driver, please explain why. If the
reason is nouveau doesn't work for me, we'll ignore your reply unless
it comes with a
Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com writes:
[Jesús M. Navarro]
1) Current reduction from April onwards is statisticallly
non-significant with a main trend steadly growing since Aug, 2007.
Could be. Hard to predict the future. :)
I suspect it is a significant reduction, but I do not know
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
Does Ubuntus popcon report to popcon.d.o?
No, just to popcon.u.c:
http://patches.ubuntu.com/p/popularity-contest/popularity-contest_1.48ubuntu1.patch
http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
They also currently have almost 20
Le Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 09:12:59AM +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit :
If you ask me, the decreasing number of popcons is because people are
bored by a system with old versions of programs and are seeking for
alternatives and we will see a further decrease until Squeeze will be
released.
Hi
]] Yaroslav Halchenko
| I am asking because we thought to plot few plots for our debconf talk.
| UDD also seems to store only current status for popcons of both ubuntu
| and Debian... So I thought that may be someone already did set up some
| cron job to fetch Ubuntu popcons?
Have you tried
On 07/21/2010 09:12 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
If you ask me, the decreasing number of popcons is because people are
bored by a system with old versions of programs and are seeking for
alternatives and we will see a further decrease until Squeeze will be
released. So probably the best idea to
Hi,
Yaroslav Halchenko deb...@onerussian.com writes:
I wonder if anyone cron-ed fetching of popcons for derivative
distributions (e.g. Ubuntu). ubuntu exposes only current status
http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ and I've not found if there is any way obtain
historical data (like we have one
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:34:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
the number of popcon users unfortunately has not changed much when Lenny was
released.
Really? From a quick view (not much time to investigate into this
currently) on the graph I have seen some jumps and I think I remember
that
[Goswin von Brederlow]
Does Ubuntus popcon report to popcon.d.o?
No. It report to popcon.ubuntu.com.
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This should probably then move to Debian-Project?
On 07/21/2010 11:31 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:34:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I think that what we need is Debian Blends that include official backports.
This, no other distribution proposes yet.
IMHO
This should probably then move to Debian-Project?
On 07/21/2010 11:31 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:34:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I think that what we need is Debian Blends that include official
backports.
This, no other distribution proposes yet.
IMHO this
Steve Langasek writes (Re: dkms needs a pre-depends entry (Policy 3.5)):
As Ian has described it, yes: lsb-release is not installed until after
the python-support trigger is run, so dpkg will run that trigger before
trying to move up the stack and configure dkms. And since dkms is not yet
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Steffen Möller steffen_moel...@gmx.de wrote:
* I know a few who love lenny with backports, so yet, we should somehow
integrate that with the blends concept. Could there be a flag in
debian/control in some way for anything with a compatible debhelper
version to
Russ Allbery writes (Re: dkms needs a pre-depends entry (Policy 3.5)):
This implies to me that the following information in the python-support
documentation is partially incorrect:
Yes, I think so.
I believe the only case where you would need to explicitly run
update-python-modules -p in
Russ Allbery writes (Re: dkms needs a pre-depends entry (Policy 3.5)):
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes:
It should as you can't assume that your dependencies are configured when
your own package is being configured (Debian Policy 3.5).
That's not correct. You can assume that your
* Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu [100721 09:13]:
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 05:18:13PM -0400, Holger Levsen wrote:
I think there should be a popcon mode where it only reports the
installed packages.
and it should be the default.
Why? IMHO the number of packages which are *really* used
Christian PERRIER writes (Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is
falling):
That number is decreasing. Is that *really* a surprise for anyone?
These days, in 2010, who is really seriously thinking that, apart from
a few hardcore geeks, someone who is considering to install a
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 08:06:56PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Steffen Möller steffen_moel...@gmx.de
wrote:
* I know a few who love lenny with backports, so yet, we should somehow
integrate that with the blends concept. Could there be a flag in
debian/control
Paul Wise writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re:
The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
binNMU style backports where a maintainer requests an auto-backport
and the backports team schedules it? That would be nice.
That would be fantastic and deal
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:56:29 -0400 (EDT), Christian PERRIER wrote:
There is nothing more we can do to have as many popcon submissions as
possible, really. If the number is decrasing, this is because the
number of Debian users who choose to install popcon is
decreasing. Very probably because
[Stephen Powell]
I haven't been following this thread closely; so if this idea has been
mentioned before, please excuse the duplicate. I actually tried to
enable popcon on my servers, but IIRC it requires an MTA
configured for external e-mail in order to work. The MTA (exim4) on all
my
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:10:56 -0400 (EDT), Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
I haven't been following this thread closely; so if this idea has been
mentioned before, please excuse the duplicate. I actually tried to
enable popcon on my servers, but IIRC it requires an MTA
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:42:51 -0400 (EDT), Steffen Möller wrote:
The computing world have become such complex, that we are all mere users
somewhere. So yes, we should think more about our users.
I suspect that the primary reasons desktop users choose another distribution
over Debian is
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 01:05:27PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
We certainly shouldn't stop targetting desktop systems just because
people prefer to install a Debian derivative. Debian itself is always
going to have more rough edges than a dedicated end-user-oriented
distro, because Debian
On 21/07/10 at 09:46 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
* Metaphorical speaking: we should give Debian a phone number. And I
mean full-time or at least half-time employees. With so many people
unemployed these days, I even feel we have the duty to think about
creating jobs.
That's an
I wrote:
* Metaphorical speaking: we should give Debian a phone number. And I
mean full-time or at least half-time employees. With so many people
unemployed these days, I even feel we have the duty to think about
creating jobs.
On 07/21/2010 03:46 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:
That's
Hello!
On 07/16/2010 02:28 PM, Guus Sliepen wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 03:09:59PM +0400, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
The new service for tracking ABI changes in various C/C++ libraries is
now available for Linux distribution maintainers and upstream developers
[...]
Hello!
On 07/20/2010 06:58 AM, Jay Berkenbilt wrote:
Andrey Ponomarenko susa...@ispras.ru wrote:
- Upstream Tracker. It may be helpful for analyzing risks of libraries
updating in the Debian Linux. The service includes more than 100
libraries at the moment: OpenSSL, ALSA, glib, cairo,
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
I grabbed the data since December 2009 (the file linked as was
popularity-contest results on http://popcon.ubuntu.com/). If that is
enough for your purposes, I can make it available. I also filed a bug
on Launchpad [1] to make graphs and historic
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Yaroslav Halchenko
| Ubuntu popcon historical data being available, so decided to check
| with you guys first before asking in the derivatives land.
Have you tried asking them? Mailing webmas...@ubuntu.com should get you
a reply, I'd imagine.
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Steffen Möller wrote:
* Metaphorical speaking: we should give Debian a phone number.
and friendlier face, i.e. entry point to Debian world (www.debian.org)
should suggest the visitor that Debian is for you -- now current or
suggested site faces are just overloaded with
Hi community,
well, I think, the main problem is, WHO are the persons, you want to
actiuvate.
During my meanwhile 15 years activity in my it-job, I met mostly several main
groups of people:
Group 1: people, who are not interested, whatever OS they are using, as long
as it is working. They
Hi all,
is there an easy way, to recreate all start- and stopscripts with theire
symlinks ? Hint: Some weeks ago, during an upgrade I changed to sysv-rc as
requested.
Regards
Hans
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Wow. This is depressing.
Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Group 3: Systemadmins - Yes, there are a lot of sysadmins out there,
who are not able to see the difference between Linux and Windows
server systems. IMO these people will bring the most power into
debian, if you can motivate them.
Without
Chris Jackson c.jack...@shadowcat.co.uk writes:
I might ask, however, how are you serving *nix admins? A lot easier
bunch to please with Linux I think. I for one have delisted (for the
moment anyway) Debian for our server installations after Lenny, because
I don't like the way it's headed,
I am sorry, probably I am missing the point but isn't it RTFM issue in how to
use sysv-rc to be able to revert back easily... e.g.:
$ sudo sysv-rc-conf --list ssh
ssh 2:on 3:on4:on5:on
$ sudo sysv-rc-conf ssh off
$ sudo sysv-rc-conf --list ssh
ssh 2:off
Am Mittwoch, 21. Juli 2010 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko:
I am sorry, probably I am missing the point but isn't it RTFM issue in how
to use sysv-rc to be able to revert back easily... e.g.:
Hi Yaroslaw,
sorry, I described it not quite clear. It is not the problem of sysv-rc, as
after the
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 21. Juli 2010 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko:
I am sorry, probably I am missing the point but isn't it RTFM issue in how
to use sysv-rc to be able to revert back easily... e.g.:
Hi Yaroslaw,
sorry, I
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Hi James,
thank you for pointing me to these bugreports. I did not know them until now,
but they are describing exactly my problem! Really thanks for it, great!!
I will now take a look for the problem in the next days, maybe I will find
something out.
Cheers
Hans
If you have an nVidia
On 07/21/2010 06:50 AM, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
[snip]
Or a better idea:
* Provide semi-official images with non-free enabled (on
cdimage.debian.org) of our releases. This is one big reason, why users
decide to use Ubuntu instead of Debian.
That's why I installed Ubuntu on my wife/kids' PC:
Am 21.07.2010 23:04, schrieb Ron Johnson:
On 07/21/2010 06:50 AM, Patrick Matthäi wrote:
[snip]
Or a better idea:
* Provide semi-official images with non-free enabled (on
cdimage.debian.org) of our releases. This is one big reason, why users
decide to use Ubuntu instead of Debian.
Hi, Hans:
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 19:38:02 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Hi community,
well, I think, the main problem is, WHO are the persons, you want to
actiuvate.
[...]
Group 4: People, who decide in business, which OS to use.
[...]
Group 4: Business deciders are a big problem. They only
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
[Stephen Powell]
I haven't been following this thread closely; so if this idea has been
mentioned before, please excuse the duplicate. I actually tried to
enable popcon on my servers, but IIRC it requires an MTA
configured for external e-mail in order to work.
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
This is mostly caused by a fall in the number of Lenny installations,
as can be seen from
URL: http://popcon.debian.org/stat/release-1year.png .
Something similar can be seen from
http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-news.png
But it still can't be compared to:
Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes:
Something similar can be seen from
http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-news.png
But it still can't be compared to:
http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-announce.png
Those graphs look suspiciously like we weren't purging bouncing addresses
from
2010/7/21 Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net:
Hi, Hans:
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 19:38:02 Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Hi community,
well, I think, the main problem is, WHO are the persons, you want to
actiuvate.
[...]
Group 4: People, who decide in business, which OS to use.
Well, whille trying to convince people to use Debian instead of Ubuntu, Fedora
or OpenSuse, I always encounter one of these two questions:
- If the user is inexperienced, they argue that Debian is complicated to use.
Perhaps this is due to a marketing campaign that other distros have claiming
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Andrey Ponomarenko susa...@ispras.ru wrote:
Suggestions for libraries inclusion and feature/bug requests are very
welcome. Thanks!
I'd suggest looking at each library in Debian and seeing which
libraries you are missing that have very high numbers of reverse
hi, all
From point of software developer, people who use computer can be divided into
3 groups:
1. just user.
They just want to use computer, not anything else. Maybe all the 4 groups
mentioned by hans.ullrich can be put here. For those people, debian is
obviously not the
Fuentes, Adolfo a.fuen...@liverpool.ac.uk writes:
- If the user is experienced, they argue that the libraries are somehow
old compared to other distros, with cutting-edge software. Here it
depends on individuals, since I prefer the solid-rock stability of
Debian to the problem of upgrading
1, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Fuentes, Adolfo a.fuen...@liverpool.ac.uk writes:
- If the user is experienced, they argue that the libraries are somehow
old compared to other distros, with cutting-edge software. Here it
depends on individuals, since I prefer the
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But where is the money going to come from?
This idea is likely to get so much people against it that it's not worth
discussing.
Involvement of Debian funds would cause problems, but there are
On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote:
Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial
support behind their projects, whereas Debian has little/none of that.
One of the issues I have faced in trying to get Debian
introduced in big companies is the percieved lack of a
Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Andrey Ponomarenko susa...@ispras.ru
wrote:
Suggestions for libraries inclusion and feature/bug requests are very
welcome. Thanks!
I'd suggest looking at each library in Debian and seeing which
libraries you are missing that have very
Hi,
Yaroslav Halchenko deb...@onerussian.com writes:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
I grabbed the data since December 2009 (the file linked as was
popularity-contest results on http://popcon.ubuntu.com/). If that is
enough for your purposes, I can make it available. I also
In data giovedì, 22. di luglio 2010 02:07:16, Raphael Geissert ha scritto:
The problem with HTTP submissions is that there must be able to connect to
the server when the cronjob is run.
Or, alternatively, use any of the thousand message queuing systems which are
shipping with Debian which
Will ay1...@gmail.com writes:
1, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
This one always boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present
Debian unstable or testing as the typical installation. Debian
testing (and often Debian unstable) is more stable than the
distributions
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