On 22/07/10 at 14:22 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But where is the money going to come from?
This idea is likely to get so much people against it that it's not worth
discussing.
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
This one [claim of Debian's libraries being out-of-date] always
boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present Debian unstable or
testing as the typical installation. Debian testing (and often
Debian unstable) is more stable than the distributions
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
Group 1 can be interested, either when there are Debian (and I mean really
Debian, not derivates like Ubuntu) preinstalled Computers available. These
should be easily configurable. A graphical interface (for example
Well, then the problem I think is that people don't get to know what we all
already know: That Debian is perhaps the best distro (in general terms). As
Paul Wise commented, we need more promotion and more people creating
screenshots. At least this would be the easiest and cheapest way to start
Le mercredi 21 juillet 2010 à 23:15 +0200, Patrick Matthäi a écrit :
I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why?
We stripped out all binary only firmware images from Linux and put them
mostly into the non-free linux-firmware image.
If you think this is a problem, you could
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 16:09 +1000, Ben Finney a écrit :
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
This one [claim of Debian's libraries being out-of-date] always
boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present Debian unstable or
testing as the typical installation. Debian testing (and
Em 21-07-2010 18:38, Hans-J. Ullrich escreveu:
Hi community,
[...]
Hi all,
from my personal experience, at management level these kind of questions
are usual:
- how much will it cost? do i need a bigger workforce?
- Will everything work???
- if anything goest wrong the 'guys who sell it'
Years ago, when I chose which linux should be installed to my computer, it is
dpkg which attracted me. No other linux systems have such a feature.
However, ubuntu and redhat both have the same feature now.
The question is : what is the feature which outstanding debian now? Maybe the
only
On 21/07/2010 10:25, Paul Wise wrote:
They also currently have almost 20 times as many popcon submissions as
Debian and continuing growth:
http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
http://popcon.ubuntu.com/stat/sub-i386.png
Is it enabled by default without asking the user? (I didn't do an ubuntu
install
Am Donnerstag, den 22.07.2010, 10:20 +0200 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez:
On 21/07/2010 10:25, Paul Wise wrote:
They also currently have almost 20 times as many popcon submissions as
Debian and continuing growth:
http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
http://popcon.ubuntu.com/stat/sub-i386.png
Is it
On 07/21/2010 11:31 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
IMHO this is worth another thread how to make Debian more attractive for
users ...
I think it is bugous to ask such question.
IMHO we should care about improving Debian, going toward the perfection,
not about increasing the number of users
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 02:09:58PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
The Debian games team created goplay to help users discover games in
Debian. Perhaps this needs more promotion and more people creating
screenshots and probably a rewrite to look more flashy.
When I have seen GoPlay I thought: What a
Hi, Manoj:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:17:15 Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote:
Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial
support behind their projects, whereas Debian has little/none of that.
One of the issues I have faced in trying
Hi, Ben:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 08:09:44 Ben Finney wrote:
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
This one [claim of Debian's libraries being out-of-date] always
boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present Debian unstable or
testing as the typical installation. Debian testing (and
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Christian PERRIER writes (Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is
falling):
That number is decreasing. Is that *really* a surprise for anyone?
These days, in 2010, who is really seriously thinking that, apart from
a few hardcore
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28:36AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
IMHO this is worth another thread how to make Debian more attractive for
users ...
I think it is bugous to ask such question.
Why.
IMHO we should care about improving Debian, going toward the perfection,
not about
Hi, Russ:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:55:52 Russ Allbery wrote:
Will ay1...@gmail.com writes:
1, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
This one always boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present
Debian unstable or testing as the typical installation. Debian
Hi, jj:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 10:11:34 j jj wrote:
Years ago, when I chose which linux should be installed to my computer, it
is dpkg which attracted me. No other linux systems have such a feature.
However, ubuntu and redhat both have the same feature now.
The question is : what is the
* 2010-07-22 08:11 (UTC), j. jj wrote:
To attract more people to debian, some particular features are need to
show to the world.
Debian's attractiveness (or perhaps the lack of it) is probably a sum of
several different things. I think one of those things is the front page
Hi, Andreas:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 10:38:03 Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28:36AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
IMHO we should care about improving Debian, going toward the perfection,
not about increasing the number of users (which should
be a nice secondary
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org wrote:
Q: How do I submit a screenshot?
A: Send Miriam a 320x240 thumbnail picture in png format.
Since more than one year we have screenshots.debian.net and GoPlay just
sticks to a non-maintainable competition to this great service. Is
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Steffen Möller steffen_moel...@gmx.de wrote:
This should probably then move to Debian-Project?
On 07/21/2010 11:31 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:34:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I think that what we need is Debian Blends that
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 07:22:30PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
It would probably be best to have both options available.
I've exceeded my quota for the month and web browsing is a little slow, so I
don't want to be viewing full size screen shots right now. But goplay is
quite usable and
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 11:08 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES a écrit :
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http interface than reportbug-ng (what should
be installed by default
On 22.07.2010 10:38, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:28:36AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
IMHO we should care about improving Debian, going toward the perfection,
not about increasing the number of users (which should
be a nice secondary effect).
So you have even found
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 11:08 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES a écrit :
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http
Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net writes:
Hi, Ben:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 08:09:44 Ben Finney wrote:
Which of the above uses of “stable” refers to stability (“slow rate
of change”), and which refers to reliability (“high likelihood of
working when needed”)? Too many
Hi,
The ACL utilities ({getf,setf,ch}acl) from the acl package currently
reside in /usr/bin.
This makes it impossible to use them during the early boot sequence
before /usr is mounted, so they're unusable in udev rules for instance.
Are there any reasons or objections against moving the ACL
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:08:28 +0200
Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Steffen Möller steffen_moel...@gmx.de
wrote:
This should probably then move to Debian-Project?
On 07/21/2010 11:31 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 10:44 +0200, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
Hi, Manoj:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:17:15 Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote:
Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial
support behind their projects, whereas Debian has
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 16:09 +1000, Ben Finney a écrit :
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
This one [claim of Debian's libraries being out-of-date] always
boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present Debian unstable or
testing as the
Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net writes:
But once you forget your expectancies and put yourself under the skin of
a newcomer, Sid breaks and sometimes breaks hard (no other thing should
be expected -in fact, I feel sometimes that Sid breaks too little
because due to the fact that
Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com writes:
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http interface than reportbug-ng (what should be
installed by default for your
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes:
Earlier someone mentioned that popcon can report to more than one
tracker. So maybe we should talk to Debian based distributions and
encourage them to report to both their own (if they have one) and
popcon.d.o.
Maybe with some tagging as to the
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:30, Julien BLACHE jbla...@debian.org wrote:
Are there any reasons or objections against moving the ACL utilities to
/bin, alongside their traditional UNIX counterparts? Note that libacl is
already installed in /lib.
Makes sense to me.
--
Martín Ferrari
--
To
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
In Launchpad, for anything in universe, the typical experience is that
your bug goes into a black hole until a month or two later someone sends
you some form letter about it.
That's why I stopped reporting bugs against Fedora years ago,
Hi all,
and there is another point, I would like to mention.
The naming of the repository is not well chosen, as it let new and
unexperienced people to debian feel a wrong way. The names stable testing
and unstable let the poeople think, debian is using crippled software, which
is unstable,
I would have thought that would be really confusing. It sounds like
what is the purpose of this machine question you get during
installation. Better would be
stable = solid,
testing = edgy,
unstable = bleeding_edge
That said I think there is noting wrong with the current terms.
Hans-J.
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes:
Earlier someone mentioned that popcon can report to more than one
tracker. So maybe we should talk to Debian based distributions and
encourage them to report to both their own (if they have one) and
Hello,
after reading through this long thread, I find many somewhat diverging
opinions, but not a single posting I could not at least partially agree
to. This includes Lucas with we should not include Debian money, while
I hope we could somehow have him agreeing to a separate account from
which
Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de writes:
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Maybe with some tagging as to the origin derivative, so that we can
handle cases where that data isn't useful? There's no guarantee that
the Ubuntu package has much of anything to do with the Debian package
I reckon a forum would be much easier to finance (even with moderators)
than a phone line. It could probably be integrated with one of the
mailing lists which would go a long way to make it look friendlier.
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of
Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net writes:
so good that *I* will prefer it over others.
The problem with this is that we all(?) already prefer Debian.
In my eyes, there is no question about which distro to choose. I prefer
Debian for so many reasons that I'm not sure I'm able to
On 07/22/2010 03:21 PM, Nicholas Bamber wrote:
I reckon a forum would be much easier to finance (even with
moderators) than a phone line. It could probably be integrated with
one of the mailing lists which would go a long way to make it look
friendlier.
+1 there are various Debian support
Hello everyone,
We just ran into a hairy problem with diversions, and I want to get the
general advice of the project on how to handle it. (This is a reason why
there's not yet been a new upload of the non-free NVIDIA legacy drivers,
although mostly it's because I've been juggling too many
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 05:26:52AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Having followed the Ubuntu bugs for many of my packages for several years
now, I think Debian's bug system is considerably more user-friendly than
Launchpad. It may not be as *pretty*, and it's not as easy to submit a
bug, but when
Hi!
Am 22.07.2010 09:21, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why?
We stripped out all binary only firmware images from Linux and put them
mostly into the non-free linux-firmware image.
If you think this is a problem, you could help with
Stefano Zacchiroli writes (teaching users how to submit good bug reports):
So, point 2: are we *advertising* reportbug enough to our users?
In particular, I'm thinking about advertising in push mode rather
then in pull mode.
This approach, trying to make it easier to report bugs,
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:25:34PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Hi!
Am 22.07.2010 09:21, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why?
We stripped out all binary only firmware images from Linux and put them
mostly into the
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:25:34PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Hi!
Am 22.07.2010 09:21, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why?
We stripped out all binary only firmware images from Linux and put them
mostly into the non-free
Russ Allbery writes (Moving diversions between packages):
4. Do something else to move the diversions that I haven't thought of and
that would wonderfully solve all of our problems.
Why not have the new package ship libGL.so.1 to a more specific
filename and create a symlink named libGL.so.1
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Nicholas Bamber nicho...@periapt.co.uk wrote:
I reckon a forum would be much easier to finance (even with moderators) than
a phone line. It could probably be integrated with one of the mailing lists
which would go a long way to make it look friendlier.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org wrote:
I think it is bugous to ask such question.
IMHO we should care about improving Debian, going toward the perfection, not
about increasing the number of users (which should
be a nice secondary effect).
I don't think
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 11:08 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES a écrit :
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com writes:
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http interface
Okay so that's what I learnt in school today. Could we have a link to it
on the from page? There is room in that red menu bar. Actually I tried
to look for it under support and various other places, but I could not
find it.
Paul Wise wrote:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Nicholas Bamber
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
In Launchpad, for anything in universe, the typical experience is that
your bug goes into a black hole until a month or two later someone sends
you some form
Le Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:54:16AM +0300, Teemu Likonen a écrit :
Debian's attractiveness (or perhaps the lack of it) is probably a sum of
several different things. I think one of those things is the front page
http://www.debian.org. The page may implicitly suggest that there is
nothing
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Nicholas Bamber
nicho...@periapt.co.uk wrote:
Okay so that's what I learnt in school today. Could we have a link to it on
the from page? There is room in that red menu bar. Actually I tried to look
for it under support and various other places, but I could not
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Stefano Zacchiroli writes (teaching users how to submit good bug reports):
So, point 2: are we *advertising* reportbug enough to our users?
In particular, I'm thinking about advertising in push mode rather
In data giovedì, 22. di luglio 2010 17:24:43, Nicholas Bamber ha scritto:
Okay so that's what I learnt in school today. Could we have a link to it
on the from page? There is room in that red menu bar. Actually I tried
to look for it under support and various other places, but I could not
find
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:05:17PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
So, point 2: are we *advertising* reportbug enough to our users?
In particular, I'm thinking about advertising in push mode rather
then in pull mode.
No, we obviosely do not. When staffing bothes in the past I
Am Donnerstag, den 22.07.2010, 23:14 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org wrote:
I think it is bugous to ask such question.
IMHO we should care about improving Debian, going toward the perfection, not
about increasing the number
Bastien ROUCARIES writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users,
was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http interface than reportbug-ng [...]
I think what's really
Bastien ROUCARIES writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users,
was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
The problem is joe simple user find one package that does not work,
it seatrch on the web how to report bug, does not find, does not
report it, and
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Having followed the Ubuntu bugs for many of my packages for several years
now, I think Debian's bug system is considerably more user-friendly than
Launchpad. It may not be as *pretty*, and it's not as easy to submit a
bug, but when you submit a bug to
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu writes:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:05:17PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
So, point 2: are we *advertising* reportbug enough to our users?
In particular, I'm thinking about advertising in push mode rather
then in pull mode.
No, we obviosely do not.
On Do, 22 Jul 2010, Bjørn Mork wrote:
If you are still unable to find and use reportbug, then I doubt that you
are able to identify a bug and much less provide the information
required to actually fix it.
Agreed upon that. Typical example are Ubuntu bugs. I am subscribed to
the bug reports of
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 17:11 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES a écrit :
Automated backtrace ala unbuntu will really ease the debian maintener job.
Since you don’t seem to be aware of it: full support for ddebs is mostly
waiting for a patch to dak.
Cheers,
--
.''`.
: :' : “Fuck you sir, don’t
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 06:00:44PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
No, we obviosely do not. When staffing bothes in the past I regularly
asked people to report their problem and they had no idea how to do
(because they did not know reportbug) even if long term Debian users.
I believe it's
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 06:00:44PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
No, we obviosely do not. When staffing bothes in the past I regularly
asked people to report their problem and they had no idea how to do
(because they did not know reportbug) even if
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:05:17PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
So, point 2: are we *advertising* reportbug enough to our users?
In particular, I'm thinking about advertising in push mode rather
then in pull
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote:
On Do, 22 Jul 2010, Bjørn Mork wrote:
If you are still unable to find and use reportbug, then I doubt that you
are able to identify a bug and much less provide the information
required to actually fix it.
Agreed upon
(CC'ing debian-derivatives)
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
The number of submissions to the Debian popularity-contest collector
is falling, and has done so for some time now. This can be easily
seen on URL: http://popcon.debian.org/stat/sub-i386.png .
This is mostly caused by a fall in the
On 07/22/2010 11:42 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
[snip]
But this is not a problem you can solve. You cannot avoid requiring
some effort from users wanting to report a bug.
For some value of some effort.
MS Windows has a bug-reporting pop-up window that with the click of
a button sends traceback
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
So, point 2: are we *advertising* reportbug enough to our users?
Perhaps not, but it's literally the very first thing listed on
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
which is linked from http://www.debian.org and the first result for
reporting bugs
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Ian Jackson wrote:
2nd, related, fallacy: Everyone has a useful contribution to make to
Debian. This is not the case.
Even though not everyone may have a useful contribution, we need the
contributions of people who actually can contribute usefully.
Discouraging useless
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Russell Coker wrote:
The ability to have reportbug write it's output to a text file that
can be copied elsewhere is a good thing. It would be nice if
reportbug on a system with email access could then create an email
based on that file instead of requiring copy/paste
OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du jeudi 22 juillet 2010, vers
14:26, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org disait :
In Launchpad, for anything in universe, the typical experience is that
your bug goes into a black hole until a month or two later someone sends
you some form letter about it.
On 22/07/10 09:44, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
Hi, Manoj:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:17:15 Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote:
Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial
support behind their projects, whereas Debian has little/none of that.
On Thu July 22 2010 05:21:09 Russ Allbery wrote:
But on testing, it's been rock-solid for me for years. It's not just
somewhat less breakage. I think it's almost no breakage. Occasionally
packages get stranded for a long time at back revs because of various
migration problems, and once or
Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net writes:
On Thu July 22 2010 05:21:09 Russ Allbery wrote:
But on testing, it's been rock-solid for me for years. It's not just
somewhat less breakage. I think it's almost no breakage. Occasionally
packages get stranded for a long time at back revs because
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:53:53 -0700
Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
On Thu July 22 2010 05:21:09 Russ Allbery wrote:
But on testing, it's been rock-solid for me for years. It's not
just somewhat less breakage. I think it's almost no breakage.
Occasionally packages get stranded
On Thu July 22 2010 11:28:49 Neil Williams wrote:
Removing packages from testing does not remove them from any existing
installation, so it's hard to see how the removal of packages which are
plainly not suitable for release in stable supports an assertion that
testing is somehow not intended
Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't agree; I think it's very hard to say the same thing about testing.
I've noticed that linking to this page seems to kill threads, which is
not my intent, but: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/debian/cut/
The idea still seems reasonable to me, and the work required,
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
share. I will also inquire webmas...@u.c and will CC you for the
reference. Thanks again
They are available on http://ubuntu-popcon.43-1.org/data/.
That is great -- please keep piling them up ;) I hope it is ok if I
mirror it entirely
N.B. I
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:13:41 -0700
Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
On Thu July 22 2010 11:28:49 Neil Williams wrote:
Removing packages from testing does not remove them from any
existing installation, so it's hard to see how the removal of
packages which are plainly not suitable
On Thu July 22 2010 12:44:39 Neil Williams wrote:
We used to use Testing for desktops and laptops, but the hassle
of disappearing packages was not worth it.
Any stats on that? Just how many packages were affected? Before or
after a release freeze was announced?
Real users have to be able
Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net writes:
On 07/22/2010 11:42 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
[snip]
But this is not a problem you can solve. You cannot avoid requiring
some effort from users wanting to report a bug.
For some value of some effort.
MS Windows has a bug-reporting pop-up window that
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:30:36 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:25:34PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Hi!
Am 22.07.2010 09:21, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why?
We stripped out all binary only
Joey Hess jo...@debian.org writes:
Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't agree; I think it's very hard to say the same thing about testing.
I've noticed that linking to this page seems to kill threads, which is
not my intent, but: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/debian/cut/
The idea still seems
On Jo, 22 iul 10, 12:13:41, Mike Bird wrote:
We actually have a few Testing packages (e.g. WordPress) in our
mostly-Stable servers and we backup copies of those Testing packages
both on-site and off-site against the vagaries of the Testing masters.
Now you can use snapshot.debian.org ;)
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:10:16PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
I've noticed that linking to this page seems to kill threads, which is
not my intent, but: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/debian/cut/
The idea still seems reasonable to me, and the work required, beyond
what is already done, not too
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:13:15PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:30:36 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Yes. We have parallel versions of the netinst images that include
firmware packages.
That's a great start. However, Patrick is advocating images that
autodetect and
Hey
Should we then perhaps do the same with nfs4-acl-tools?
Cheers,
Chris.
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On Thu July 22 2010 13:43:16 Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Jo, 22 iul 10, 12:13:41, Mike Bird wrote:
We actually have a few Testing packages (e.g. WordPress) in our
mostly-Stable servers and we backup copies of those Testing packages
both on-site and off-site against the vagaries of the Testing
Russ Allbery wrote:
Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes:
Something similar can be seen from
http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-news.png
But it still can't be compared to:
http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-announce.png
Those graphs look suspiciously like we weren't purging
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Mike Bird wrote:
We actually have a few Testing packages (e.g. WordPress) in our
mostly-Stable servers and we backup copies of those Testing packages
both on-site and off-site against the vagaries of the Testing
masters.
This is why snapshot.debian.org exists. If a
Hola Christoph Anton Mitterer!
El 22/07/2010 a las 23:13 escribiste:
Should we then perhaps do the same with nfs4-acl-tools?
Isn't nfs4-acl-tools a set of transition tools to deal with nfsacl until the
linux nfs client implements a posix acl translation?
Anyway, I fail to see a useful example
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:10:16PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
I've noticed that linking to this page seems to kill threads, which is
not my intent, but: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/debian/cut/
The idea still seems reasonable to me, and the work required, beyond
what is already done, not too
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