On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:59:40AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
I really like Russ Allbery's sane words about this topic.
To argue that is *not* to require or demand that anyone do any work, nor
to strip anyone of their role. I wish I knew how to avert the
Quoting Adam D. Barratt (a...@adam-barratt.org.uk):
On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 19:43 +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
My plans are to upload before the end of the upcoming week-end an NMU
for each of the affected package(s).
I currently have:
fwiw, from a quick look at the list, at least
On 2011-01-13, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org wrote:
We can't demand or require anyone to do anything. Yet we expect
I think this is mostly wrong.
We can demand or require people to step down. And we should if we don't
think they do a proper job.
Now we just need to define what a proper
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk wrote:
On 2011-01-13, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org wrote:
We can't demand or require anyone to do anything. Yet we expect
I think this is mostly wrong.
We can demand or require people to step down. And we should if we
* Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk [110113 01:54]:
We can't demand or require anyone to do anything. Yet we expect
maintainers to answer bug reports, provide packages, etc. The fact that
you can't force anyone to do anything doesn't mean you can't say that
some behavior is
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HI Adrian,
A year later and I have a basic Autoconf/Automake system in trunk for
OpenPGM ready to package for Debian.
I have a machine readable copyright file ready but pretty much stuck on
getting anything else working. The Autoconf system actually builds a
libtool shared library in addition
Bernhard R. Link writes (Re: Forwarding bugs upstream):
The maintainer should of course assess where their work is best invested
and act accordingly.
But a package where bug reports to Debian are not properly handled or
users are required[1] to report them elsewhere is definitely not fully
Ben Finney writes (Re: Forwarding bugs upstream):
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
But if a maintainer tells me please go and talk to them yourself or
even please stop filing these kind of upstream bugs in Debian - you
know how to do it yourself upstream and I have enough
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Remember: there is no shortage of bug reports.
That's unfortunately true. Why is it that bug squashing parties only
happen a short time before release while it appears that the rest of
the time the issue is
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 08:58:30PM +0200, Anssi Kolehmainen wrote:
My workaround was to purge network-manager and I'm planning to fix this by
creating a package which Conflicts: network-manager. Maybe you could provide
this kind of package by default :)
I'm a very happy user of wicd. It works
Hello
The new version of libconfig-model-perl 1.229 is now available in Sid. This
new version provides a model of DEP-5 updated according to the CANDIDATE
version. (Among other features [1], like editor/validator for debian/control).
The DEP-5 editor must be run in the source package
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 02:03:07PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Remember: there is no shortage of bug reports.
That's unfortunately true. Why is it that bug squashing parties only
happen a short time before release while it appears that the rest of
the time the issue is ignored?
Please,
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 02:03:07PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Remember: there is no shortage of bug reports.
That's unfortunately true. Why is it that bug squashing parties only
happen a short time before release
On Do, 13 Jan 2011, Pietro Abate wrote:
My workaround was to purge network-manager and I'm planning to fix this by
creating a package which Conflicts: network-manager. Maybe you could provide
this kind of package by default :)
I'm a very happy user of wicd. It works well to wireless
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
Currently, the debian Qt/KDE team has around 800 open, non-forwarded
bugs reported against their packages. I would guess that maybe 20 of
them is packaging issues. But we can't find them.
The rest of the bugs (780 open-non forwarded (and 300 forwarded))
Hi Steven,
On Thursday 13 January 2011 13.18:58 Steven McCoy wrote:
A year later and I have a basic Autoconf/Automake system in trunk for
OpenPGM ready to package for Debian.
Nice to see progress, note that I'm not involved in zeromq packaging anymore
(except to sponsor the odd upload)
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Ben Finney wrote:
But if they do refuse, then to what extent is that person
accomplishing the maintainer role?
To the greatest extent they can, which is what all of us do. I don't
believe any maintainer is going to stand in the way of anyone who
wants to help triage their
Le Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:47:53 +0100,
Dominique Dumont d...@komarr.gre.hp.com a écrit :
Hello
Hello
Here the messages I got when checking my guidata package (already in the new
queue)
picca at grisette:~/Debian/guidata/guidata$ config-edit -application
dpkg-copyright -ui none
You should
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Aleksandr Kuzminsky aleksandr.kuzmin...@percona.com
* Package name: percona-server-5.5
Version : 5.5.8-20.0-1
Upstream Author : Percona Server Development Team mysql-...@percona.com
* URL :
Don Armstrong writes (Re: Forwarding bugs upstream):
I personally would love to see patches to the BTS to enable forwarding
these kinds of bug reports to upstreams more easily and integrate
everything tightly with the BTS. Unfortunately, I am perpetually short
of time to implement them myself,
Olaf van der Spek writes (Re: Forwarding bugs upstream):
The point is focus on solving bugs shouldn't be limited to BSPs and
the end of the release cycle.
No, Stefano's point was that if you want something done, you should go
and do it rather than whining here that it isn't being done.
Ian.
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
The point is focus on solving bugs shouldn't be limited to BSPs and
the end of the release cycle.
It never is restricted to just those times; it just becomes more
important as we get closer and closer to release.
Don Armstrong
--
This isn't life
Ansgar Burchardt writes (Re: Forwarding bugs upstream):
Ubuntu has a team (Bug Squad[1]) that tries to triage incoming bug
reports, including forwarding them upstream when applicable.
I don't know how successful this is, but if it has success, then maybe
we could try to recruit volunteers
On Thursday 13 January 2011 15:06:56 Picca Frédéric-Emmanuel wrote:
Here the messages I got when checking my guidata package (already in the
new queue)
picca at grisette:~/Debian/guidata/guidata$ config-edit -application
dpkg-copyright -ui none
You should install Config::Model::TkUI or
Package: debbugs
Severity: wishlist
Tags: help
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011, Ian Jackson wrote:
Don Armstrong writes (Re: Forwarding bugs upstream):
I personally would love to see patches to the BTS to enable forwarding
these kinds of bug reports to upstreams more easily and integrate
everything
Zitat von Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org:
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
Currently, the debian Qt/KDE team has around 800 open, non-forwarded
bugs reported against their packages. I would guess that maybe 20 of
them is packaging issues. But we can't find them.
The rest of the bugs
Le Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:47:53 +0100,
Dominique Dumont d...@komarr.gre.hp.com a écrit :
hello, another try :)
picca@grisette:~/Debian/tango/tango$ config-edit -application dpkg-copyright
-ui none
You should install Config::Model::TkUI or Config::Model::CursesUI for a more
friendly user interface
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 03:53:14PM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote:
Expected:
'Format','Upstream-Name','Upstream-Contact','Source','Disclaimer','Comment
','Copyright','Files','License','Format-Specification','Name','Maintainer',
'Upstream-Maintainer','Upstream-Source' or an acceptable
On Thursday 13 January 2011 16:38:31 Steve Langasek wrote:
Please make your model recognize when a stand-alone license stanza is
present which defines a new license name in the file. DEP5 is not
intended to have an authoritative list of all licenses in use, only the
common ones;
Currently,
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Pierre Chifflier pol...@debian.org
* Package name: sagan
Version : 0.7.1
Upstream Author : Champ Clark III ch...@softwink.com
* URL : http://sagan.softwink.com/
* License : GPLv2
Programming Lang: C
Description :
On Thursday 13 January 2011 16:35:06 Picca Frédéric-Emmanuel wrote:
I attached the copyright file
Interesting. Your file is formatted according to the spec archived on Debian
wiki. Looks like this spec was done before the DEP-5 work begun.
Since then, some fields like Debianized-* were
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:47:53 +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote:
The new version of libconfig-model-perl 1.229 is now available in Sid. This
new version provides a model of DEP-5 updated according to the CANDIDATE
version. (Among other features [1], like editor/validator for debian/control).
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 04:51:53PM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote:
On Thursday 13 January 2011 16:38:31 Steve Langasek wrote:
Please make your model recognize when a stand-alone license stanza is
present which defines a new license name in the file. DEP5 is not
intended to have an
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Alessandro Ghedini al3x...@gmail.com
* Package name: libhttp-tiny-perl
Version : 0.007
Upstream Author : Christian Hansen chan...@cpan.org
David Golden dagol...@cpan.org
* URL :
On 01/12/2011 09:35 AM, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Ben Finney dijo [Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 04:01:46PM +1100]:
(...)
I'm adding zero value here. Zero. It is a huge and frustrating waste
of my time.
Not in my view. I appreciate the Debian package maintainer acting in the
interest of “lower the barrier
Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com writes:
That's unfortunately true. Why is it that bug squashing parties only
happen a short time before release while it appears that the rest of the
time the issue is ignored?
This didn't happen during this release cycle, at least from my
perspective.
John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org writes:
On 01/12/2011 09:35 AM, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
You are clearly adding value [… enumeration of many ways the
maintainer adds significant value by relaying bug report discussions
…]
Those are some valid points, probably more valid for many packages
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 02:46:35PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
Anecdote: while I was employed by Canonical I had to dissuade some of
my colleagues from implementing and deploying, without consent from
Debian, a feature in Launchpad that would automatically file
corresponding bug reports in the
Thanks for your work, here are a few things I stumbled on.
(Version: 1.229-1)
Worst problem: -save *removes* all Comment fields except for one
in the header section.
Also, -save converted in the header Disclaimer:\n Foo into Disclaimer: Foo.
If I'm reading DEP-5 right, that's not correct, the
Also, it's missing BSD-2-clause etc.
The original format from the wiki page uses comma to separate
Files. Might be worth detecting and converting those?
--
see shy jo
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
Le Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 03:06:56PM +0100, Picca Frédéric-Emmanuel a écrit :
Warning in 'License': key 'CeCILLv2' should match
On 01/12/2011 05:59 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Rather, I'm arguing that the maintainer role, as a mediator and
interface between upstream and the Debian user, entails a whole lot of
different tasks, and being a mediator in the discussion between
upstream-who-doesn't-care-about-Debian-specifically
Le Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 04:35:06PM +0100, Picca Frédéric-Emmanuel a écrit :
Expected:
'Format','Upstream-Name','Upstream-Contact','Source','Disclaimer','Comment','Copyright','Files','License','Format-Specification','Name','Maintainer','Upstream-Maintainer','Upstream-Source'
or
On 01/12/2011 12:52 AM, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
I understand that maintainers' time is limited and that forwarding bugs
is not an enjoyable task. But I also understand that having a BTS
account for the upstream BTS of each of the 2405 packages I have
installed on my laptop (not to mention
Hi, Sune:
On Thursday 13 January 2011 00:12:06 Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2011-01-12, Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net wrote:
I have considered to take this one step further. Close bugs reported in
Debian BTS with a severity of important or less that is a bug that
should primarily
Hi, John:
On Thursday 13 January 2011 19:25:59 John Goerzen wrote:
On 01/12/2011 09:35 AM, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
[...]
But still, let's say that a Debian developer has X minutes to spend on
Debian a day.
Let's be true: it's not that a Debian developer has X minutes to spend but
that a Debian
Hi, Andreas:
On Thursday 13 January 2011 09:19:35 Andreas Tille wrote:
[...]
In short: The Debian maintainer is responsible that a bug will be
reported upstream. I don't see a problem if he delegates the actual
work to somebody else who is able and willing to do the job (but please
be nice
Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu writes:
In short: The Debian maintainer is responsible that a bug will be
reported upstream. I don't see a problem if he delegates the actual
work to somebody else who is able and willing to do the job (but
please be nice to the user when asking for this kind of
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:14:29 +0100
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