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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I think that's probably true, but it also has prerequisites that may not
> be achievable. In other words, it's more user-friendly except when it's
> completely impossible (because the existing system doesn't boot, for
> instance). Other OS
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Paul Wise writes:
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> I'm certainly fine to put work into this for those who want to use it,
>> but I never boot any existing OS before installing Debian, and I'm sure
>> I'm not alone. It's extremely useful to be able to
Adam Borowski writes:
> No distruption for existing systems, satisfies those concerned about
> accidentally installing "real" software (as much as the notion of
> executable code running on another processor in your machine, or even
> deeper inside the same processor, being
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On Tue, 2017-12-05 at 22:50 -0500, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 05:08:26PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 05 2017, Adam Borowski wrote:
> >
> > > Thus: I'd say we should prominently offer two downloads, one with a
> > > paragraph of insults.
> >
> >
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I'm certainly fine to put work into this for those who want to use it, but
> I never boot any existing OS before installing Debian, and I'm sure I'm
> not alone. It's extremely useful to be able to install Debian on bare
> metal (or a
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On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 11:55:04AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> Some of the ones that can do have free drivers in mesa: Tegra, VC4/5,
> Vivante, Adreno.
>
> Only Mali and PowerVR are missing.
Except that, unlike x86, display and 3D acceleration tend to be separate
chips (or rather, parts of the
Paul Wise writes:
> Of course not, that would be a ridiculous suggestion.
> I would wager that most devices have another OS installed before
> installing Debian. I propose that the process of installing Debian could
> be made easier if the Debian install process started with an
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 10:05:51AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:46 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
>
> > * splitting non-free in subsets;
> > * adding a non-free-firmware area;
>
> I think we don't want either of these, instead we should *add*
> additional Packages files
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Michael Stone wrote:
> you want debian to be uninstallable on some hardware without a copy of
> windows? that doesn't seem like a step forward or even a desirable goal.
Of course not, that would be a ridiculous suggestion.
I would wager that most devices have
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Michael Stone wrote:
> Since the majority of non-x86 systems available today can't even display a
> modern graphical desktop without a non-free blob, that seems like a safe
> bet.
The majority of non-x86 systems available today can't even install
Debian at all
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 11:02:09AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
non-redistributable entirely. By enhancing win32-loader (and creating
similar tools for distros/Android/macOS) and promoting that as the
primary install mechanism for Debian, we can detect the firmware
requirements of the current system
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 05:08:26PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
Hello,
On Tue, Dec 05 2017, Adam Borowski wrote:
Thus: I'd say we should prominently offer two downloads, one with a
paragraph of insults.
Uncontroversial suggestion:
List the fully free ISO first, have it coloured green, blue
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 12:00:12AM +0100, Guus Sliepen wrote:
I have no illusions that a competitor to x86 will magically be more free.
Since the majority of non-x86 systems available today can't even display
a modern graphical desktop without a non-free blob, that seems like a
safe bet.
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> In my eyes, that is just moving the choice to an earlier point in time
> when the user might not have enough information to make the decision,
> for example because of brand new hardware. But, having two installers
> side by side is a very
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:46 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> * splitting non-free in subsets;
> * adding a non-free-firmware area;
I think we don't want either of these, instead we should *add*
additional Packages files for each of the classes of non-free things
that people want to be able to
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On 2017-12-06 00:00:12 +0100 (+0100), Guus Sliepen wrote:
[...]
> Just say that non-free firmware is provided as-is and does not
> allow modifications to fix bugs or add functionality, in contrast
> with the vast majority of the software in Debian, which does
> guarantee those properties.
[...]
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El mar., 5 de dic. de 2017 a la(s) 20:27, Matthieu Caneill <
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> Dear developers,
>
> We're happy to announce that Debsources, the Web application that
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Hello,
On Tue, Dec 05 2017, Adam Borowski wrote:
> Thus: I'd say we should prominently offer two downloads, one with a
> paragraph of insults.
Uncontroversial suggestion:
List the fully free ISO first, have it coloured green, blue etc., and
the ISO with non-free firmware second, coloured red,
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Hello Thibaut,
On Tue, Dec 05 2017, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
> I also believe this should be less controversial. I don't see any
> problem with shipping non-free firmware on our main installation media
> as long as they are redistributable, because I don't consider them
> part of the OS. The user
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Alf Gaida writes:
> I see this a little bit different - hell, no! - non-free is non-free and
> the pure existence of a line
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian $distribution main contrib non-free
> will not pollute a system with not wanted non-free packages. Afaik it
> needs a
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 05:44:57PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > > 1- putting the non-free firmware on all our images,
> > > 2- let the installer check whether they are needed,
> > > 3- if yes, let the user decide:
> >
> > I agree with this. While I also believe non-free firmware should
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On 05.12.2017 10:33, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> 3. We should consider the a firmware subsection to non-free in our
>repositories. This would allow users to use non-free firmware while
>not adding sources for other non-free software on their systems.
>
> Cheers
> jonas
I see this a little bit
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Le lundi, 4 décembre 2017, 23.18:21 h CET Philipp Kern a écrit :
> On 04.12.2017 19:03, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 05:36:30PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >> Lars Wirzenius writes:
> >>> Myself, I would prefer us to keep both the free-software-only ISO and
> >>> the non-free
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On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 04:50:59PM +0100, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 03:57:11PM +0100, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
>
> > I vote for:
> > 1- putting the non-free firmware on all our images,
> > 2- let the installer check whether they are needed,
> > 3- if yes, let the user
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On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 03:57:11PM +0100, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
> I vote for:
> 1- putting the non-free firmware on all our images,
> 2- let the installer check whether they are needed,
> 3- if yes, let the user decide:
I agree with this. While I also believe non-free firmware should not
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ed behaviour sanitizer (x32 debug symbols)
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On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 08:04:47AM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
Am 05.12.2017 um 05:34 schrieb Paul Wise:
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Yes, I've never managed to get d-i to find firmware I've put on a USB
myself, and always resorted to this approach. I never got
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* Update to 20171205 from the 2.7 branch.
* Build with -fstack-protector instead of -fstack-protector-strong.
Performance improvements of around 1-2%.
* Add support for mipsr6 triplets (YunQiang Su). Closes: #881945.
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* Package name: golang-github-golang-glog
Version : 0.0~git20160126.23def4e-1
Upstream Author : Go Authors, Michael Stapelberg
* URL : https://github.com/golang/glog
* License :
Dear Jonas,
Le 05/12/2017 à 10:39, Jonas Meurer a écrit :
On Mon, Dec 04 2017, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
I vote for:
1- putting the non-free firmware on all our images,
This seems more controversial than it needs to be, and misses an
opportunity for us to express our values.
[...]
I also
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