On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 11:37 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 11/15/2012 10:07 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 01:11:32AM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
[...]
So systems which put additional logic in PID 1 are going to increase
the probability of bugs being present, and those
I don't know why you think this is relevant to debian-devel, but have
fun. (And please don't ask anyone to package anything in this format.)
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it is almost entirely the same as Linux uses for *every*
64-bit architecture that supports a 32-bit userland. I think the only
interesting difference is that x32 has 64-bit time_t.
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On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 22:53 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 20:14 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012, Bastian Blank wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 02:15:14PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes
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...which is that dpkg does not support architecture-specific relations
in binary packages.
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On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 02:35 +0200, Adrian Fita wrote:
On 08/11/12 01:44, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 04:33:00PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012, Adrian Fita wrote:
Fair enough, but how about having the linux-image packages recommend
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rtnetlink. But that is no more portable than using
socket options to reflect addresses for UDP.
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setsockopt(sock, IPPROTO_IP, IP_FREEBIND, one, sizeof(one));
bind(sock, ...);
Or we set the net.ipv4.ip_nonlocal_bind sysctl globally, but this is
probably not a good idea. (Note that 'v4' there is not a typo; this
would actually affect both v4 and v6.)
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On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 18:29 +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [2012.11.03.1515 +0100]:
int one = 1;
setsockopt(sock, IPPROTO_IP, IP_FREEBIND, one, sizeof(one));
bind(sock, ...);
Or we set the net.ipv4.ip_nonlocal_bind sysctl
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 19:35 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
❦ 3 novembre 2012 15:15 CET, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk :
I can now disable DAD, or insert sleep 10 at the top of
/etc/init.d/unbound, but neither is an acceptable solution.
IPv6 has been a release goal for years and we
Don't feed the troll.
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On Sun, 2012-11-04 at 01:56 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 07:30:00PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Don't feed the troll.
It's not trolling.
It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
problems.
He should use the BTS like everyone else
at handling highly optimised code (tracking variables in registers,
treating inlined functions as logically separate functions, etc.).
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. (The maintainer address may itself be a
mailing list, but if the maintainer(s) no longer read mail sent to it
then that's a further reason to orphan/salvage the package!)
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 09:58:54PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 01:47:52PM -0400, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
[...]
All the pings in the world won't help if you are sending them via
a path that discards them. I know several large US ISPs that automatically
reject what
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http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dir-or-file-in-var-lock.html
[...]
Seems like these should be added to ftp-master autorejects.
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environment. But I
don't know a simple way to find the 'primary userland architecture'
that is not distribution-specific.)
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If you're concerned about leaking sensitive information to untrusted
processes then procfs is a far, far bigger problem (somewhat mitigated
by hidepid or pid namespaces).
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On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 23:06 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 09:07:57PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 08:26:24PM +0100, peter green wrote:
Some time ago I found that a package (I think it was openjdk but I
don't remember for sure) which relied
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 16:46 +, Amit wrote:
Ben Hutchings ben at decadent.org.uk writes:
Trying to load usbhid and passing a quirks parameter so that it ignores
a specific device. Then, I have my own kernel module to control that
device.
What is this driver
@ at least twice.
firmware-free (which doesn't even have the debian/rules target, but I'll
look into it if the sources ever do change).
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On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 21:47 +, Amit wrote:
Ben Hutchings ben at decadent.org.uk writes:
[snip]
1. I am currently using dh_installmodules to install package.modprobe.
However, I noticed that the automated debhelper commands in
postins/postrm don't run update-initramfs
this.
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I think section 7 is right for overview documentation like this.
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picture of which chips this
needs to be done for.
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, and will be of no interest to the regular Debian user. So
I don't expect any mess there.
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On Sun, 2012-09-09 at 23:06 +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
On 9 September 2012 16:49, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 22:46 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
But I object to 32-bit PC and 64-bit PC. i686, amd64, x86-32,
x86-64...
at least
.
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The precise restrictions are specified in Documentation/sysctl/fs.txt in
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of the symlink and the user trying
to follow it.
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', with some success. Please
could the publicity team try to follow this convention in future
press/publicity material?
(amd64 can run on current Macs, which are marketed as not-a-PC, but
I don't think there's much point mentioning that until we make it
easier to install on them.)
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On Sun, 2012-09-02 at 14:04 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, Sep 02, 2012 at 08:54:39PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sun, 2012-09-02 at 23:17 +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote:
[...]
But the OP system does not have old autofs5 package installed,
only the config files from
,
way.
The kernel API is called rtnetlink (or NETLINK_ROUTE) and NM already
uses it. Not all device relationships are properly represented through
it yet, but people are working on it.
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),
is that considered a bug, and what severity does it have?
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Most likely these should not be managed by either ifupdown or NM.
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is image/x-xbitmap and
not text/x-xbitmap, even though it can be read as ASCII text. (A new
top-level type like 'vector' would have been better though.)
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Yeah strange all this ^^.
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On Fri, 2012-08-24 at 10:44 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hello,
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:51:27 +0100
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
What I mean is that this still happens:
# ifup eth0
...
# ifconfig eth0 down
# ifup eth0
ifup: interface eth0 already configured
Why
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 04:18:12PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hello,
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:03:49 +0100
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
There is, it's called the kernel.
No, there isn't, and there can't possibly be, as interface's
configuration isn't only what ifconfig
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 00:04 +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
Hello,
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:32:03 +0100
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
3) ifupdown integration is really bad
ifupdown is really a good framework, it offers hooks and and is
properly integrated in many packages
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 04:21:18PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 02:51:27PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
What I mean is that this still happens:
# ifup eth0
...
# ifconfig eth0 down
# ifup eth0
ifup: interface eth0 already configured
People talk about how
to
answer questions and apply reasonable patches.
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On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 02:07 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
Hey Ben.
On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 19:32 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
To allow users to connect to the NetworkManager daemon they have to be in
the
group netdev.
Like Vincent already pointed out, CK allows it, too.
Oops
.
Unfortunately, I don't have the spare time to make much of a
contribution to that myself. (I do install ifupdown hooks as part of
ethtool, so I'll have to think about those.)
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* Fix capitalization in Applying patches or configuration changes
it ?
See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/.
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to run other software that we don't
package, or to use (or develop) derivatives that replace some core
components.
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what breaks?)
I found unconditional use of ifconfig in:
/etc/init.d/bind9
/etc/qemu-ifup
/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools
(wireless-tools must die too, though)
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be removed altogether.
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find that there is
actually almost no portability.
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On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 07:29:58PM +0300, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
Hello!
Ben Hutchings has written on Wednesday, 8 August, at 16:24:
On 08/08/2012 09:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
IMHO, if there's distros with ifconfig but not ip, then such distro
doesn't deserve much attention
I insist on documentation for all new features.
iproute2 documentation was somewhat lacking, but as Vincent says it
has been improved a lot recently.
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[...]
There is also no support for Linux amd64 executables on kfreebsd-amd64,
as I understand it.
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On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 04:14:19PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
[...]
guess: nvram-wakeup sgt-puzzles
[...]
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk
sgt-puzzles
[...]
There are a lot of short and generic names in this package. I
appended 'game' to some of them to avoid such conflicts when
originally
: siggen tripwire
tcpd: tcm tcpd
vuname: util-vserver umview
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it, but a standard installation presumably won't pull in the necessary
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On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 20:16 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le samedi 04 août 2012 à 18:28 +0100, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
This is expected in the absence of 3D acceleration, which is not yet
supported in qemu so far as I know. VirtualBox is supposed to support
it, but a standard
On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 23:45 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 08/04/2012 07:28 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 17:15 +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
That's going to make testing Wheezy CD images annoying. Anyone else see
this problem? I tried logging in under GNOME and GNOME
On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 04:37 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
[...]
I would like to address this by backporting this feature:
commit d6e486868cde585842d55ba3b6ec57af090fc343
Author: Ludwig Nussel ludwig.nus...@suse.de
Date: Wed Jan 25 11:52:28 2012 +0100
debugfs: add mode, uid and gid
:
[...]
This one uses some new kernel facilities that allow checkpoint/restart
to be done reliably.
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Out of which, it seems, only one has a problem.
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Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 03:28:01 +0100
Source: ethtool
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Version: 1:3.4.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Anibal Monsalve Salazar ani...@debian.org
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, anyway.
[...]
The MIME type should be determined once and then used consistently
thereafter, rather than being determined again according to possibly
different rules. This seems to mean that in some cases it will be
necessary to specify the MIME type to xdg-open.
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Tags: security
As discussed here
http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2012-discuss/2012-July/000891.html.
I certainly consider mounting of debugfs to be significant security
liability. I'm not at all happy that people use
the user has installed (e.g. they don't
usually specify versionded depedencies). As already pointed out,
'gnome' does recommend and suggest some packages that are not strictly
required.
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NT take over PowerPC? No. Alpha? Not even after FX!32
provided fast x86 emulation.
And the application developers used to Win32 (or Windows Forms) won't be
able to port to Windows RT without first rewriting for the 'Windows
Runtime' APIs.
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On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 08:46 -0600, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
Hi,
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes:
2. Upstream kernel support: when booted in Secure Boot mode, Linux would
only load signed kernel modules and disable the various debug interfaces
that allow code injection. I'm
: obscure
- mtools: obscure; FAT volumes are auto-mounted
- twm: no-one should have to suffer this
- discover, mdetect: I think these are pretty much obsolete, but could
be wrong
- linux-sound-base, alsa-base, alsa-utils: rarely needed AFAIK
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(and if that decision cannot be automated by malware), it
might possibly be sufficient to keep it from being exploited and
blacklisted. But perhaps there are formal requirements that I'm not
aware of, that would still forbid this.
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are lacking
developers to match many of them.
Ben (Hutchings).
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On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 14:09 +0300, Serge wrote:
2012/6/25 Ben Hutchings wrote:
BTW, it's interesting that Fedora/CentOS use -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
and they use it in CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS.
Presumably as a workaround for build systems that do not respect
CPPFLAGS.
I actually noticed
/jackd2 again.
It's now dead upstream, and support for any version of CELT would have
become less and less useful during the lifetime of wheezy.
Also, as I recall, there was an important security issue with no fix
available.
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?
The latest one may not be available for your architecture on your
current mirror yet.
And FTBFS on i386. Fixed in today's 3.2.21-2.
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a maintainer script to automate, for example, installation
of another package dependent on hardware configuration. All you can do
is show a note/error prompting the user to do that. Which is rather
sad.
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:16:51AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes:
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:29 +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
Hello,
On 2012-06-19 13:59, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
This implies that an apt-get install library needs
On Mon, 2012-06-18 at 23:47 +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
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wrote:
On Mon, 2012-06-18 at 20:40 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
I want to announce restart-services here [1
trigger per service? I don't think that's a good
idea.
Ben.
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(and probably other user desktop sessions started
by gdm3).
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should send further
questions to the comp.lang.c newsgroup, unless they're specific
to development of the Debian distribution.
Ben.
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Description:
firmware-linux-free - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel
Closes: 555949 629730
Changes:
firmware-free (3.1) unstable; urgency=low
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* Update to linux-support 3.2.0-2
- Remove build-dependency, as this is only used when
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