Joachim Breitner wrote:
schrieb Raphael Geissert:
infrastructure under the name of httpredir.debian.org.
will http.debian.net continue to work?
Or better yet could http.debian.org be set up to work too?
Bob
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Dmitriy Fitisov wrote:
USB descriptors configured as a modem, so, when I connect it to Linux,
cdc-acm module is loaded.
However, there is apparently some process which is watching modems, so on
connection
I got some info on my device - on Ubuntu it is AT commands, for which I have
adapted
Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
Russ Allbery wrote:
Bob Proulx writes:
Maybe I am missing a better alternative?
update-rc.d service disable
No. That is too late. By the time you are disabling something it has
already been installed and started in postinst scripts. Using
policy
Russ Allbery wrote:
Bob Proulx writes:
Maybe I am missing a better alternative?
update-rc.d service disable
No. That is too late. By the time you are disabling something it has
already been installed and started in postinst scripts. Using
policy-rc.d is the only way to prevent unknown
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Anthony Towns wrote:
Russ Allbery wrote:
Anthony Towns writes:
BTW, it occured to me that it seems like a wart that update-rc.d doesn't
respect policy-rc.d -- as it stands, policy-rc.d can prevent a service
from (re)starting during
James McCoy wrote:
I keep contemplating packaging ex-vi and advocating to replace vim-tiny
with that. After all, the intent is to have something providing
/usr/bin/vi, as one expects to have on a *nix system, so why not have it
actually be vi?
The package is already done.
apt-cache show
James McCoy wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
James McCoy wrote:
I keep contemplating packaging ex-vi and advocating to replace vim-tiny
with that. After all, the intent is to have something providing
/usr/bin/vi, as one expects to have on a *nix system, so why not have it
actually be vi
Evgeni Golov wrote:
after reading #759590, I think it is time to consider calling maintainer
scripts in a (slightly) cleaned environment.
Since I submitted Bug#759590 (however not the apt interaction aspect
of it) let me say that I consider the ability of inheriting the
environment for PATH
Jeff Epler wrote:
Russ Allbery wrote:
I use apt dist-upgrade normally and then, periodically, run:
dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | awk '{ print $1 }' \
| xargs dpkg --purge
This is obviously somewhat unsafe. It would be neat to have a tool that
would do this
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Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Don Armstrong
Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
It seems resolvconf wants to get its name servers from
/etc/network/interfaces?
Resolvconf can get its nameservers from anywhere that calls
echo 'namserver information'|resolvconf -a interface.program;
If I do
David Weinehall wrote:
Bjørn Mork wrote:
The issue that worries me most about these desktop notification plans is
the possibility that some package may decide to unnecessarily drop
support for non-desktop systems, adding dependencies on the desktop
notification system. I believe we
Michael Stapelberg wrote:
In the past, we have had multiple heated discussions involving
systemd. We (the pkg-systemd-maintainers team) would like to better
understand why some people dislike systemd.
Therefore, we have created a survey, which you can find at
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
Andreas Beckmann wrote:
now might be the right time to start a discussion about release goals
for jessie.
How about setting default umask for users (uid = 1000) to 002?
+1. It would be a useful default.
Bob
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Philip Hands wrote:
Vincent Lefevre writes:
I agree for these services (though Apache is useless after just
being installed, as one just has a dummy web page).
I don't know about you, but I find it quite reassuring to be able to
confirm that the first half of an install is going pretty
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
I would like to see the following with respect to PHP and all packages
using PHP:
1) We should try to educate users not to use mod_php.
If Best Practices such as this were documented such as on the Debian
wiki then it would go a long way to making this easy for
Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
Michael Gilbert wrote:
We've always treated FTBFS if built twice in a row bugs as important:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian...@lists.debian.org;tag=qa-doublebuild
The real question is whether or not there is a consensus within the
Halil Kaya wrote:
Hi. I've just bought a new notebook. It has an external graphic card: AMD
Radeon HD 7670M 2GB. I installed Ubuntu 12.10. I've been trying to install
the driver for more than 2 hours. However, I couldn't do it yet. When I try
to install the drivers that Ubuntu indicates, I
Kurt Roeckx wrote:
Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
Kurt Roeckx wrote:
There are also the md5sums files that are stored in the .deb file.
I'm not really sure what the real use case for them is and
wouldn't have a problem with them going away.
debsums(1) aka what packages on my system are
Steve Langasek wrote:
Ben Hutchings wrote:
# in autofs.postinst
rm -f /var/lib/dpkg/info/autofs5.postrm
(There may be a cleaner way to do this.)
if postrm=$(dpkg-query -c autofs5 postrm 2/dev/null); then
rm -f $postrm
fi
Not sure about cleaner, but that's the supported dpkg
Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
You can't imagine how much I blame Debian each time I have to type the
full path /sbin/ifconfig as a non-root user on virtual servers to just
know the IP address the DHCP server assigned to the machine.
The 'ip' command is in /bin/ip and always available in
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Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
Lars Wirzenius, 2011-12-16 15:38+0100:
resize2fs, at least, only supports online resizing to make the filesystem
larger, not smaller. It's not particularly useful for, say, the root
filesystem.
This is also true of Ext* with resize2fs, and probably most file
Steve Langasek wrote:
Michael Biebl wrote:
To me it looks like there is broad consensus that a separate /usr
partition should be considered deprecated and this option removed from
the installer.
There isn't. There's just a broad consensus among those who are talking
about changing
Ian Jackson wrote:
Bob Proulx writes (Re: Is anyone using the Units program in a script?):
Ian Jackson wrote:
(b) ask on info-gnu.
Just fyi for the future but info-gnu isn't the place to ask questions.
It is for official GNU announcements only, no follow-ups, no
discussions
Ian Jackson wrote:
(b) ask on info-gnu.
Just fyi for the future but info-gnu isn't the place to ask questions.
It is for official GNU announcements only, no follow-ups, no
discussions. Discussions should happen on other lists.
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Patrick Ouellette wrote:
Earlier when this particular situation was being discussed, someone mentioned
the generic name node was bad for a computer binary. 10-15 years ago it
was a different landscape. The node.js folks should probably have given
more thought to their binary's name given the
Jimmy Li wrote:
Apparently, anything that needs root asks for the root password instead of my
user password. Apparently, it's using su instead of sudo.
The debian-installer will set up your system to use either su or sudo
depending upon whether you specified a root password or only a user
Luca Capello wrote:
I disagree on that, according to popcon we have 19.27% of users has
postfix installed, which could mean that ~90% of users has an MTA
installed.
Doesn't popcon itself send reports by email? Meaning that 100% of all
reports from popcon have an MTA installed?
Bob
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
Doesn't popcon itself send reports by email? Meaning that 100% of all
reports from popcon have an MTA installed?
No, popcon can also report through HTTP.
Ah... Very good. I stand corrected. And what's more, looking it
over it appears that using
Ben Hutchings wrote:
Russ Allbery wrote:
Are people who are proposing that we change these programs proposing we
build a new package with binaries of those same names and use
alternatives? That Debian fork gzip? Something else?
I propose that we provide a separate package containing
Mark Hymers wrote:
Ben Hutchings recently discovered that old lenny CDs (5.0.0) currently
fail to install. Phil Kern discovered that this was because they
couldn't validate the security signing key (which was rolled over after
they were released).
I ran into this problem yesterday. Thank
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Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote:
Currently, our packaged services start automatically, unless explicitly
disabled in /etc/default/service, or by missing configuration.
Having daemons started automatically at installation time is a very
nice feature of Debian IMNHO. And by comparison it really
Arturo Gutierrez wrote:
/oracle/tmp/OraInstall2011-01-17_02-30-24PM/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java:
error while loading shared libraries:
libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory
Fortunately this library is still available in the archive.
PJ Weisberg wrote:
Ben Hutchings wrote:
Don't even think of doing this in a package uploaded to Debian.
Right. I mentioned it mostly for completness, since it's the answer
to the question that was actually asked. I almost added, I don't
think any Debian packages actually do this, but
Mike Bird wrote:
Seen in Lenny. Is it really necessary to run apt-cache in order
to shut down BIND?
The Lenny package's /etc/init.d/bind9 script calls 'lsb_release -is'
to determine the distribution and if the 'lsb-release' package is
installed then the lsb_release script calls 'apt-cache
Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Simon McVittie wrote:
... so in practice, staff is root-equivalent, but in principle it's
not meant to be. (Yay.)
It depends on the definition of equivalent.
Anyway staff is a protection against user (aka admin)* errors*,
not against *malicious* admins.
I
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Christoph Haas wrote:
Actually I second that. I still haven't seen a reason to use it since I
don't understand the historical reasons.
I have always wondered about the historical reasons too. Because it
never made sense to me either.
On my servers I have always removed the
David Pashley wrote:
John Hasler praised the llamas by saying:
And helping people get off C4LL W4VE is not our job.
Surely we should do our best to help all computer users, not just Debian
users. :)
It is not practical nor even possible to do so. The noise is
overwhelming!
I have a
David Pashley wrote:
Don't follow up. Reply to them privately.
No, because that doesn't help the next person that searches on Google.
That is exactly the point. We DO NOT WANT people to find the Debian
mailing lists in any relation to that search. Every time someone
references it in a
Benjamin Seidenberg wrote:
I wonder if it would be possible to appeal to google to have them
manually edit that search so that l.d.o doesn't appear. (Same for
[replaced with string instrument to avoid another google hit]'s)
What I think I would rather see is targeted moderation of anything
Brian May wrote:
Would it be feasible to have something like update-alternatives, but
instead of managing files in the file system, it allocates port
numbers?
Something like that would be nice. Sporadically there have been
complaints from people who want multiple sendmail MTAs installed. It
Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
Having a package installed doesn't mean the corresponding service is
started.
If I install something then I want it installed, configured and
running.
I think you are asking for another type of action for APT. Currently
APT has two types of remove. You can remove
Robert Collins wrote:
martin f krafft wrote:
Lars Bahner wrote:
Please CC: me as I am not on this list!
Upstream names the betas for 0.7.3.3 as 0.7.3.3.b1-b30 - as you no
doubt already guessed.
...
So now that there is no beta-versioning, the installer sees this
as a lower
Thomas Hood wrote:
It is not even useful as a which(1) replacement. Whereas which
prints the pathname of the first executable file on the PATH,
Note that the Debian 'which' is different than the which on other
systems. The traditional which is a csh script that intentionally
sources the
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Bob Proulx writes:
Sure, native code is always better. But that still won't help when
sharing binaries from other distros to and from Debian. Because those
other commonly available binaries of which people think are so
critical will be 32-bit. (I am
Adeodato Simó wrote:
* Bob Proulx [Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:24:07 -0600]:
* why the different implementations?
It is there for BSD job control functionality. That way you can say
'kill %1' and kill the background jobs by job control number. The
standalone version does not know about
Eduard Bloch wrote:
Then we would have
Debian 4.0 for etch, 4.1 for etch stable release 1, 4.2 for etch stable
release 2, 4.2a for etch stable release 2 with a minor CD mastering fix
(for example), etc.pp.
Counting numbers start at one. The first update would be the second
release of
martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Bob Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.08.1750 +0200]:
Counting numbers start at one.
Not in the computer world.
How do you explain RCS/CVS? The first revision after a checkin is
1.1. :-)
Bob
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Alexis Papadopoulos wrote:
I'm actually making some .deb packages out of a single source archive.
One of them should contain a shared library. The upstream author's
package's version is 5.13 and the soname of his library has been set to
513. After having contacted him, he told me that was
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
Pierre Habouzit wrote:
I hope not ... I'm a quite happy owner of amd64 machines, so happy that
I've only amd64 machines for my desktops, and maintaining a chroot to
use openoffice is quite annoying (same is true for quake/et but I
assume it won't bother debian
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
I was reading the kill man page today looking for some information for a
script I am writing. The man page mentioned that some shells have a
kill built-in command. On further investigation, I noticed that bash
has this as a built-in.
My questions are:
* should
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
One case I can think of is where you regularly ssh into a machine with
a dynamic IP address. Maybe with or without a dyndns name. Depending
on the size of the ISP and how often the address changes the
known_hosts files could increase without bound.
I don't
Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Le Lun 27 Juin 2005 10:14, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen a écrit :
Since this is contrary to my experience with greylisting, I'd like to
hear more about your experiences with it, and why you consider
greylisting really painful.
I already did : for personnal use (and I use
Magik wrote:
I think the typical answer will be to compile in a woody chroot.
There are several different packages to help such as pbuilder and
dchroot. This works quite well for C programs because gcc is very
mature and the woody default gcc compiler is sufficient for most
tasks. But
Pascal Hakim wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
I wonder what it's rule set is.
:0 fbw
* ! ^Content-Transfer-Encoding:.*base64
* ! ^Content-Transfer-Encoding:.*quoted-printable
| cat - footer.txt
The Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] message
asked about was encoded with a content transfer encoding of
Pascal Hakim wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
I guess if you don't want a footer on your messages you can always
send them out with a quoted-printable encoding. :-)
In my experience as a listmaster, the people who like to complain about
the fact that we add a signature on the bottom of every
Brian May wrote:
...which of course is a problem if the daemons are required to setup
the network connection to the NTP server...
e.g. network tunnels and DNS servers both might need to be started
first before the NTP server can be contacted.
This is already a long standing problem causing
Magik wrote:
I'm one of the developers of Omni-bot (www.omni-bot.com).
A side comment. Not having heard of omni-bot I went to that web site
and looked for something that would tell me about it. I may be blind
but after looking I still don't know what it is.
We recently ported our stuff to
Anthony Towns wrote:
GNU Interactive Tools hasn't seen an upstream update at all since 2001,
and looking at the diffs since .18, doesn't seem to have had any
significant changes since 1999. The Debian updates seem mostly to be
updating the build system, rather than user-visible changes.
I
Benjamin Mesing wrote:
Meelis Roos wrote:
JFSP - Separate runlevels: 2 for multi, no net, 3 for multi no X, 4 for X,
4=5
Why? Display manager as a normal service that can be started and stopped
like other services is very natural. No need to confuse the users with
more runlevels
Lars Wirzenius wrote:
Marco d'Itri kirjoitti:
Jesus Climent wrote:
I do _not_ want a web server right after apt-get installing it, since
everybody has to move the default page and create their own content.
_I_ do.
If I install a daemon, it's because I want it to use it (weird, isn't
Guillermo Gutierrez Herrera wrote:
El mar, 07-06-2005 a las 11:41 +0200, Olaf van der Spek escribió:
Is it possible for a user to ensure that a certain app is (always)
started after system start (and stopped before shutdown) without using
root access?
If so, how?
sudo - userslogin
Jesus Climent wrote:
Matthew Palmer wrote:
Jesus, meet policy-rc.d.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ man policy-rc.d
No manual entry for policy-rc.d
Look here:
/usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz
http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt
Bob
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Osamu Aoki wrote:
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
I remail my email from debian.org machines, I do not forward it. So, I
do not have the problem (I have others, but it is a different story).
master:~ % cat .procmailrc
:0
! [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sigh, it does not
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Andreas Metzler wrote:
Herbert Xu wrote:
Andreas Metzlerwrote:
cu and- I would not use an epoch unless I was forced to,
ugly package versions go, epochs stay forever -reas
You know what, version numbers stay forever too. Well, they would
if it weren't for the epoch...
Mathieu Roy wrote:
The current sysutils contains:
* procinfo - Displays system information from /proc (v17).
* memtest - Test system memory for errors (v2.93.1).
* bogomips - Shows the current bogomips rating without rebooting (v1.2).
* tofromdos - Converts DOS - Unix text files
Andreas Rottmann wrote:
Btw, sysutils is taken, so I take gsysutils. Does someone prefer
gnu-sysutils?
I would, as I associate gsomething with a Gnome-frontend for something
(e.g gsudo), but I don't claim that is common conception.
Well, I can back that up. A Gnome association swept
Sam Hocevar wrote:
... or fix the timestamps of the various auto* files before calling
configure. Use something like this: (order is important)
touch configure.ac \ (or configure.in)
touch aclocal.m4 \
touch configure \
touch config.h.in \ (or whatever
Andreas Tille wrote:
regarding to bug #215554 I would like to ask for my personal clarification:
Which sens makes automake if the resulting output depends from every new
subsubversion?
I've thought that I would do the wordnet program some good if I would add
automake stuff. Since I
Marc Haber wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
I'd rather that the tools in Debian base were written in a high-level
language where available. Take away Perl and you've got only shell, C,
and C++ left; I don't think that's going to improve security in
practice.
Well-written C++ using well tested
Colin Watson wrote:
Adam Heath wrote:
Guido Guenther wrote:
Just of out curiosity, is this in any way different from the shorter:
if [ $var ]; then
var=-f
Have you tried that? No POSIX shell will have a problem.
You are confusing standards with portability. They are not the same
Branden Robinson wrote:
test -n and -z exist for a reason, even if one has to come up with
pretty dodgy mnemonics for remembering them.
-n Nonzero size string
-z Zero size string
Dodgy mnemonics? I find them very mnemonic!
Bob
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Branden Robinson wrote:
I don't defend test(1) as a miracle of clarity, though. -h is a
synonym for -L. Go figure. :-/
I think you can blame BSD for that one. IIRC test -h was the original
option used to test for a symlink. Whoever wrote that test probably
did not like upper case letters
Guido Guenther wrote:
Branden Robinson wrote:
if [ -n $var ]; then
I always prefer this myself too. It is portable.
Just of out curiosity, is this in any way different from the shorter:
if [ $var ]; then
For Debian, no. But for those of us trying to program portably across
systems, yes.
martin f krafft wrote:
I am the (new) maintainer of bcm5700-source, a modules package for
the broadcom gigabit adapter. The final package,
bcm5700-module-${KVERS}, includes a manpage,
/usr/share/man/man4/bcm5700.4.gz. I just now ran into the problem
that while installing the 2.4.22 image and
martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Bob Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.01.0853 +0200]:
Abbreviated example:
make-pkg --append-to-version -2-686-smp kernel_modules
Produces:
/usr/share/man/man4/bcm5700-2-4-21-2-686-smp.4.gz
Not by default. I could make that happen manually though
Christoph Berg wrote:
The problem that one doesn't want things like .bash_completion read
there is easily solved by
# check whether we run interactively
[ $PS1 ] || return
(Something like that exists in Debian's /etc/skel/.bash_profile.)
Uh, no. You are thinking of
Adam Heath wrote:
/usr/bin/vi should be an alternative for vi-compatible editors.
/usr/bin/vi should then be an alternative that is hooked into /usr/bin/editor.
But, but, but... How does it work if /usr/bin/vi is an alternative
hooked into /usr/bin/editor? What package would own that hook?
Andreas Metzler wrote:
Nikita V. Youshchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Another thing is replacing #!/bin/sh by #!/bin/bash --login in
/etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession (and other dm's Xsession files). This is the only
way I know to make login shell startup files evaluated during X logins.
This
Georg Neis wrote:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=121303
Elvis as the standard editor (priority 120) is not very convenient. Imagine
a newbie thrown into elvis, and he will be lost, and cannot quit:(
This bugreport says that the elvis package (a vi clone) uses a too
high
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Anthony Towns wrote:
Where I come from, old hardware is unreliable hardware.
This would really only apply to disks, which have moving parts and small
tolerances. When was the last time you had a motherboard, or CPU, or
network card, or a video card die because it was
Colin Watson wrote:
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 11:05:25AM +0200, Michael Piefel wrote:
Am 25.07.03 um 09:21:47 schrieb Colin Watson:
/usr/bin/editor is not only something invoked directly. It's also
invoked by programs as the default editor.
Shouldn't that be sensible-editor?
Which
Colin Watson wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
I personally would not have had either elvis or vim supply an
alternative for /usr/bin/editor.
I don't mind lowering the priority of vi clones, or whatever; but please
don't try to get them removed from the editor alternative. It's quite
sufficient
Ola Lundqvist wrote:
Anand Kumria wrote:
10 bug fixed
100 million users
Hmm... That is very much people. That is about 150 times more than the
number of people on this planet.
Give the world time. The population is still increasing. Just
planning for the future. :-)
Bob
Arnd Bergmann wrote:
Right. I now found the 'official site' for the tool at
ftp://ftp.x86-64.org/pub/linux-x86_64/tools/linux32/
It's almost the same as your version, but we using the same
code as the others might be nice anyway. As a bonus, you
can run it as 'linux64'.
Just as a general
PPMW wrote:
dear sirs,
does VMware also support 64-bit x86 systems HP i2000 itanium
... what do we need?
paul!
Your message is very confusing to me. It askes two different
questions at two different times.
1. Your question in the subject line, does debian also
Balazs GAL wrote:
Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
(from /etc/hosts)
127.0.0.1 bohr.local bohr localhost
192.168.65.5bohr.local bohr
This is a broken setup, and it will break many apps.
Use it only, if you really _should_ use it as a workaround.
Why do you say it is broken? What
Noah Meyerhans wrote:
I guess xplot-xplotorg will just end up conflicting with xplot. It
sucks, since that means the new package winds up in the ghetto (priority
extra) but it's preferable to the options available.
Not commenting on the conflict with xplot. Although I sympathize, I
think
Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
Should /etc/hostname contain only short hostname, or FQDN name?
Is this documented anywhere?
A religous argument. Some like it one way and some like it the other
way. Be prepared for a long discussion thread.
I've always thougth that /etc/hostname should contain
GOTO Masanori wrote:
Well, it's hard to display package name. However
lsof | grep dpkg-new | awk '{print $1, $8}' | sort +0
make a list which describes what binary uses old libraries replaced by
dpkg. To show more user friendly, it needs to remember that what
library files are
Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
GOTO Masanori wrote:
So everytime we have to restart all binaries which use a library
involving security-problem. In additionm this problem affects not
only debian packages, but user-built binaries.
Well, this is why it is most often described in the security
Bjorn Stenberg wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
Just minor searching through the archive turned these up with relevent
discussion.
These posts, as your reply in debian-testing, concern packages that are not
Valid Candidates.
But they did concern how testing operates. Insight into the design
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