Kurt Pfeifle wrote:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 08:34:59PM +, Kurt Pfeifle wrote:
And third, klik doesn't really install. It brings exactly 1 additional
file (the *.cmg) onto the system. It works with user only privileges.
Hang on. You loop-mount with user-only privileges? How?
The
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Gervase Markham wrote:
We say Debian has a reputation for shipping quality software, and we
want them to use the trademark. I would hope you guys also want to use
it, as a well-known free software brand. Why is our recognition of
Debian's quality used as a negative against that happening?
Eduard Bloch wrote:
Why would it have to be before the kernel? Actualy all floppies should
Because you can do it before the kernel needs to be running (including
the whole userspace overhead needed to prompt the user to insert the usb
floppy, for example, and work with it).
FWIW, the
Ed Cogburn wrote:
Note: non-free is NOT provided yet. We need to decide what we do with
it, as we may be forbidden to distribute some of the software in it (we
aren't Debian).
Wait a second, if you *aren't* Debian, it should be *easier* for you to
provide non-free, not harder.
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David Goodenough wrote:
ifrename can of course be used to rename an interface, and it is also
worth noting that MadWifi uses ath%d, and the RealTech driver uses
ra%d.
The ralink driver is changing from ra%d to eth%d as eth%d is more
commonly used.
Personally I use nameif to rename my devices
martin f krafft wrote:
I am trying to package the swsusp2 kernel patch, which comes in
hundred little files. My thought was to simply concat these files
into one large patch for use with kpatches... however, this does not
work because some files are created by early patches and later
Matthew Garrett wrote:
1) Dealing with network interfaces and the like sensibly - at the
moment, this will often require unloading and reloading modules pre/post
suspend
Yup. The hibernate package helps with this and can do quite a bit
automatically by way of a blacklisted modules mechanism
Matthew Garrett wrote:
So the questions goes: is this a shortcoming with the HP not being
properly supported with acpi, am I missing some command like apm
which is able to do what I want or is this simply acpi not really
having caught up with apm yet?
acpi requires a fairly large
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Rich Walker wrote:
The C3 reports that it is a 686 without CMOV:
More recent C3s do have cmov:
shameless:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : CentaurHauls
cpu family : 6
model : 9
model name : VIA Nehemiah
stepping: 1
cpu MHz :
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Richard Atterer wrote:
All in all, IMHO generating per-user images on the fly is not really
feasible.
Would it be more feasible if all of the intelligence was on the client
side? The client could slurp down a Packages file, work out which
packages to include and split them into CD-sized
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:49:06AM -0800, Nunya wrote:
| | I don't believe in magical beings. I *do* believe some humans
| | intentionally set out to hurt other humans. Branden's beliefs and
| | sneering disdain for some of his fellow humans is quite clear.
|
| ... and in some cases
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 01:32:41AM +, Scott James Remnant wrote:
| On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 01:16, Nunya wrote:
|
| Face it. You're practicing hate speech. You're not better than what
| you hate.
|
| Ya know, I've always wondered something when people say things like
| this...
|
| If I
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:24:04AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
| Demons are evil,
|
| Demons don't exist. Consequently, their moral value is undefinable.
I claim that their moral value /is/ definable in the context of a
particular mythology even if they don't exist. In the case of the
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:53:18AM -0800, Nunya wrote:
| I don't believe in magical beings. I *do* believe some humans
| intentionally set out to hurt other humans. Branden's beliefs and
| sneering disdain for some of his fellow humans is quite clear.
... and in some cases justified.
|
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 09:59:46AM +, Will Newton wrote:
| (there are at least two ways of pronouncing Debian).
... only one of which is correct :-)
Cameron.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 12:20:00PM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
| Really? What makes a pronounciation incorrect? The pronounciation of
| the project initiator, the context, etc... ?
Okay, I was being a bit facetious there, but if you insist on taking me
seriously, I suspect that the pronunciation
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 07:19:22PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
| Perhaps we should use the names of famous atheists and other critics of
| religion.
Bertrand Russell: The Christian religion has been and still is is the
chief enemy of moral progress in the world.
Cameron.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 05:20:41PM -0800, Jim Gettys wrote:
| This is a fundamental change in X architecture, which has been
| underway for over 18 months.
And it's strongly associated with freedesktop.org, which I'm sure will
endear Andrew to the new method even more :-)
Cameron.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 04:07:56AM +, Scott James Remnant wrote:
| Only GNOME applications should be in the GNOME Applications menu.
Why?!
Cameron.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 01:11:12PM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
| It is supported and used in KDE-3.2beta. KDE-3.2 should be released in
| January.
[...]
| Again, please have a look at KDE-3.2. I am currently using the KDE CVS
| debian snapshots. KDE stores all it's desktop files in
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 04:12:58AM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
| Cameron Patrick wrote:
|
| On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 01:57:29PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
|
| | Because you gain *nothing*
| |
| | Are you claiming that everyone who says that .desktop has technical
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 07:36:15PM -0700, Bruce Sass wrote:
| Have you quantified the bloat you are speaking about? Can the same
| argument not apply to any i18n effort?
|
| Yes, using KDE2.
[...]
| Yes, the same argument applies to all i18n efforts.
|
| I18n is great, until disk usage and
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 01:57:29PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
| Because you gain *nothing*
|
| Are you claiming that everyone who says that .desktop has technical
| advantages is a liar? These features actually do not exist in the
| desktop format? (It may be so; I have no firsthand
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 05:18:21PM -0600, Billy Biggs wrote:
| Agreed on that, but it's not rewriting all of the menu package, which
| is what I felt your post implied. Rewriting all menu files is fairly
| trivial and does not have to be done all at once.
It should also be fairly easy to get
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 09:49:25PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
| Alternate approaches (that involve significantly less work)
That's the bit that I (and presumably others) am not convinced about.
You keep making this assertion, but with little to back it up. Have
you, e.g., looked at the
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 10:05:57AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
| Sure. However, I use WindowMaker since several years now, and apart
| from bug fixes, I did not notice real changes over years (the
| changelog does not speak otherwise, it's almost only about bugs and
| i18n updates).
|
| About
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 11:25:31AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
| What's your point? The window managers don't /need/ to be changed - or
| at least they shouldn't. They don't natively support Debian's menu
| system, they don't natively support .desktop files, and are unlikely to
| ever do
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:36:37AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
| Right, that's what I just described (later on). The thread had
| previously been about people wanting to throw away the Debian menu
| system and replace it with the .desktop one, or worse, have both
| coexist.
If we can convert
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:17:08PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
| Thing is, none of this matters. If upstream support .desktop files,
| then we just run them through the script that converts them to Debian
| menu entries while installing. dh_installmenu would be a good place to
| do this.
|
|
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:19:28PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
| On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:34:22AM +0100, Raphael Goulais wrote:
| On Wednesday 03 December 2003 21:31, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
| I agree. I would like to see .desktop standard adopted. There have been
| a few threads I have
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:04:56PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
| Why be gratuitously different?
|
| Why not? Why waste effort just to be the same as everybody else?
|
| It's identical to the old rpm vs. deb argument.
Really? Once again, I believe that there are differences, in that it
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:24:09AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
| This is the Proprietary software model, with artificial, government
| imposed (via copyright laws) monopolies, resulting in customer lock-in
| and price maximization.
|
| I dont see a monopol, at least no government imposed.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 01:21:35AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
| On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:01:46PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
| On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:25:24PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
| The firmware is needed. Without it, the device is completely dumb.
| But there are some devices
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:58:54PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
| Cameron Patrick wrote:
| I don't think it is. Python doesn't have a switch/case equivalent. It'd
| have to be done with a bunch of if's or something.
|
| Well, depends. Do you consider its dictionary to be a switch?
Nope
(This is waaay off-topic but what the heck, I'll keep going...)
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:08:51AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
| Cameron Patrick wrote:
| Nope, no fall-through in that one, so it doesn't help. It /is/ nifty
| though :-)
|
| Uh, there was a fall through there. Notice that if x
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:10:53AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
| Please actually try to code something in Python before commenting on its use
| of spaces. It is unlike the times of Fortran: in Fortran spaces are used to
| make programs easy to read by machines; in Python spaces are used to
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:55:01AM +0100, Julian Mehnle wrote:
| Steve Lamb wrote:
| 2: Can you provide an example of such free-style coding that you speak
| so highly of?
|
| # Split header into separate header lines, dropping any unneeded or
| # spurious header lines:
| @header_lines = grep(
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:19:32AM +, Darren Salt wrote:
| I find myself wondering if Duff's Device is implementable in Python...
I don't think it is. Python doesn't have a switch/case equivalent. It'd
have to be done with a bunch of if's or something.
Cameron.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:49:03AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
| On 17-Nov-03, 05:15 (CST), Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I have one grudge against python, though: its mandated indentation looks
| very ugly and unstructured to me. Kinda reminds me of COBOL (and boy, do
| I have
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:56:49PM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote:
| Nevertheless, I find 8-space indentation too wasteful, 4-space
| indentation too cumbersome to type, and 1-space indentation
| unreadable.
Your editor should do that for you! :-) e.g. set softtabstop=4 in vim
will allow you to have
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:09:17PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote:
| Hmm, do you mean that *you* don't speak about de-archivers?
| [ This is the first time I hear about this in 6 years ].
|
| Google says:
|
| dearchiver 391 hits
| de-archiver 1660 hits
| unarchiver 1240 hits
| un-archiver 1500
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:17:57AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
| Please, please, no! /dev/urandom does not reliably deliver
| pseudo-random data. There is a chance that fresh entropy will arrive
| in the middle of the computation and mess up with the pseudoness.
No, I already covered that in
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 02:46:38PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
| Do you see now that 8 of your 10 percent come directly from the
| application code and other two maybe from the optimized libc? There is
| not{hing| much} we have won using an optimised kernel. But the placebo
| effect has been
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:37:11PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
| #include hallo.h
| * Michael Poole [Sun, Nov 09 2003, 09:22:13AM]:
| Eduard Bloch writes:
|
| Do you see now that 8 of your 10 percent come directly from the
| application code and other two maybe from the optimized libc? There
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 05:14:44PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
| That is not a summary of the thread, that is a summary of YOUR
| interpretation of the thread.
I won't dispute this. :-)
| Eduard: Optimising kernel code doesn't help as other hardware is the
| limiting factor.
|
| No. The
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 12:15:06PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I suspect we both agree that it's desirable to have thread stacks
| non-executable as well.
|
| on one hand you acknowledge that it's better to have non-exec thread
| stacks but on the other hand you argued that
|
| it's
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:35:13PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
| On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:53:36AM -0600, Chris Cheney wrote:
| It would be helpful if Debian could even be installed on machines newer
| than about 2 years old.
|
| It would be helpful if people wouldn't make sweeping
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:28:51AM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote:
| Please, guys, don't have your discussion here. I don't think we really
| care about the differences between PaX and exec-shield. Debian is not,
| and, to the best of my knowledge, will not, choose one for its kernels,
| so there is
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:47:29PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
| Now, what's finally got to me one too many times:
| * I run firebird then can't run mozilla.
| * I run mozilla then can't run firebird.
I've also noticed this. A quick look at the BTS shows that someone has
already filed a bug
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:22:10AM -0600, Chris Cheney wrote:
| I refuse to use nvidia products, but I somehow doubt that boards based
| on their nforce2 chipset work properly either.
I have a machine using the nforce2 chipset and the Woody installer
doesn't recognise its IDE controller. (Proper
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:37:58PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote:
| Hmm, am I the only one that thinks
|
| dd if=/dev/zero | nc victim discard
|
| is a bad thing, in an environment where the victim is paying cents per meg
| for inbound traffic? I'm no so much talking about DoSing anything, but
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:15:31PM -0700, Matt Bonner wrote:
| It seems that as a couple, xmms and alsa-xmms are likely to break up
| soon. Can anyone help them? Or at least me?
The latest xmms package has the alsa plugin included, so the alsa-xmms
package is no longer needed. i.e. the couple
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 02:15:03PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
| My first goal is to persuade developers that running tests is
| worthwhile. For the implentation I have mainly 3 questions:
|
| 1) Do porters and autobuilders admins want to be able to skip the tests ?
Surely skipping the tests
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 09:57:42AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
| That'd be /usr/share (lib is for arch-dependant data, see FHS)
|
| ... except that the Python policy seems to have bizarre rules about
| this. I assume this is because .pyc files are placed in the same
| directory as the
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 09:42:42PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote:
| On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 21:25, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
| I think this should be clearly discussed.
|
| Just to prevent any confusion I'll just point out that
| the rant you quoted was authored by Eray Ozkural.
Hmm. I've heard that name
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 03:25:01AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
| I grepped a current Contents-i386.gz for usr/doc, and after examining
| the file itself I notice it is from a comment in the front of
| Contents-i386.gz... ARGH!!!
From the comment at the top of Contents-i386.gz:
This file
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 09:54:03AM +0200, Robert Jordens wrote:
| the root-filesystem will now point to /usr/share/ltsp/arch and mounted
| read-only by the clients
|
| /usr/share is for architecture independent data. As the root fs for the
| clients can be regenerated, that should go into
|
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 05:09:30PM -0500, david nicol wrote:
| Shamless plug: sign up for totally spam-free forwarding address
| at http://pay2send.com
Ewww! *recoils in disgust*
You don't pay to send, we make others pay to send to you. - if this
system become widespread, then you surely
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 09:47:46AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
| When your conclusion is at odds with reality you should rethink your
| argument... if Debian was to start classifying packages based on
| the probable or possible results of using the package, instead of
| the code in the
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 11:36:04AM +0200, Milan P. Stanic wrote:
| Allowing the dhcp server to write to /dev/mem because it's UID 0 and Unix
| security sucks is a bug.
|
| The problem isn't with UID 0, but with bugs in software.
No. The problem is an insecure design that forces the DHCP
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 12:10:18PM +0200, Michael Piefel wrote:
| Am 20.08.03 um 11:08:28 schrieb cobaco:
| kde 3.2 release is slated for 8th december[1], is there any chance we'll
wait
| for it, just so the outdated kde label doesn't apply again immediately
after
| release?
|
| It's not
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:33:35PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
| Mutt can read mail without an MTA, but cannot send mail without one.
|
| it does not have to be on the same machine
It does in the specific case of mutt. I seem to recall Mutt's
developers deciding to specifically /not/ support
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 12:02:09AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
| I was able to salvage the fan from the first and fix the
| second with it. Just two weeks ago another newer video card fan
| died. Wish I had a source for those thin pci card fans...
There's a computer shop near me that sells them,
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 11:11:13AM +0200, Sebastian Rittau wrote:
|100 million users
| 1000 installations
|
| I would recommend to exchange these last two lines. More installations
| than users?
If you read it more carefully it implies that there are 100 000 users per
installation
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 12:12:13PM +0200, Mattia Dongili wrote:
| actually they are million users :)
Dr EvilOne mellion users!!!/Dr Evil
CP.
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 11:54:17PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote:
| How do you show it's not software? How does it differ from software?
|
| What if I take the view that Mozilla is an interpreter and anarchism is
| the program? Please explain how that differs from the Perl interpreter
| and Perl
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:35:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
| So, what other non-DFSG-free stuff is it silly to ban? Netscape
| Navigator? Adobe Acrobat Reader?
Of course not. They're software.
RFCs aren't software, and so applying the Debian Free /Software/
Guidelines to them seems a
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:20:02PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
|
| When the program is run, it gets put in read/write memory.
|
So embedded firmware running from an EPROM doesn't count as a program
then?
CP.
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:34:56PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
| The Debian Social Contract says Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software.
| If there are things in Debian that are not free or not software,
| then we may be violation of our guiding principles.
The anarchism package is an
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:36:48PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
| Well, once you folks have come up with a definition of software, you
| be sure and let us know.
How about anything included in Debian? That way we won't be in danger
of violating the Social Contract #1.
Cameron.
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 09:57:43PM -0400, Matthew P. McGuire wrote:
|
| For the curious, the upgrade route failed as well, but on libpam0g not
| console-tools-libs. Any work around would be appreciated.
|
dpkg -i libpam0g*.deb and its dependencies. I don't know /why/ this
works when apt
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 10:04:16AM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
| However, given the packages.gz file is much smaller than the total
| files being downloaded, is it really worth it?
|
| When the mirrors sync, yes, when the average user runs
|
| # apt-get update
| # apt-get -u upgrade
|
|
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 11:38:14AM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
| These are all valid points, however, I still don't want to read HTML
| e-mail in mutt.
Why not? Mutt deals perfectly well with HTML e-mail if you have lynx or
w3m installed on your system and have
auto_view text/html
in
On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 08:15:05PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
| On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 05:06:00PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
| If we really want to split i386 in 'compatible' and 'fast', the i686 border
| makes sense because users who care about speed probably bought the machine
| during the
On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 08:58:14AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
|
| This has always prompted me to ask myself _why_ debconf entries are
| persistent then. If I _really_ have to parse config files in my config
| script to properly seed debconf to ask the right questions, then why
| does debconf have a
On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 05:23:39PM -0700, Nathan Paul Simons wrote:
|
| [...] Most sound cards these days don't even *come* with wavetable
| synthesis, [...]
|
Er, the SBLive and its Creative brethren do, don't they? At least, I'm
presuming that's what sound fonts are for. Has it been removed
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