On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 02:40:48AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
and that includes a decent editor.
That rules vi out, then.
for politeness' sake i will interpret your remarks in the most positive
light possible: you are mistaken.
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On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 02:11:03AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 10:10:56AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
Are other editors really so difficult?
yes. difficult and clumsy and lacking basic functionality.
All that missing functionality in ee (and ae in normal mode
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On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 01:48:03PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
someone (miquel, perhaps) made elvis-tiny a year or two back, and it fit
on the boot disk. would be nice if it could be made to fit again. elvis
isn't as good as vim, but it's much better
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 06:01:26PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
vi - hard to use, but small.
correction: hard to learn, easy to use. small, fast, and powerful.
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is better than ae, no doubt about it. however if there's 50+K
available on the rescue disk for ee it would be better to use that space
for a decent minimal vi clone (elvis-tiny needs ~67K).
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it.
we're not here to get 100% market share, or 50% or even 20%. we're here
to make the best system we can and share it amongst ourselves and with
others, and also to encourage others to join in the effort.
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of SpamDomains
and Spammers and SpamNets from my home web server makes my internet
connection very slow for most of every Sunday)
comments??
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is a good
option. their main co-lo facility is not far from VA Research, and
they had debian installed and running very quickly after receiving the
hardware from VA.
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or complement each other. sometimes they don't. They
certainly don't conflict or harm each other.
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to sue an individual for compiling and using free source code
that implements their patented algorithms.
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language,
so C is the language of choice for general purpose libraries.
for example: this, and related reasons, is why GNOME chose C rather than
C++ as the base language for GNOME projects. Their decision was sound,
and their reasons were sound.
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On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:45:09PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 12:27:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
C++ may be OO, but it's not very good OOand it tends to compile
into code which is both bloated and slow.
dpkg is already far too slow on old hardware
of the thread now...it probably isn't
worth reading if it's got down to this level.
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but patents
exist to restrict usage or sale.
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the catherd's away???
:-)
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ps: i have no idea if catherd is a real word or not. by analogy to
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not working in unstable
because some people have the mistaken belief that --force-overwrite
should default to off.
yes, you can override it on the dpkg command linebut there is no way
to override it if you use dselect or apt. this is evil.
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restarted before xntp is restarted.
it happened to me yesterday when i upgraded from xntp3 to the new ntp 4
package.
easily fixed with /etc/init.d/{cron,syslogd} stop, followed by start.
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and only based on Debian. Don't get
confused about it please.
good. glad to hear it. i'd hate to see debian itself dumbed-down merely
to serve a market which is already adequately catered for, at the
expense of the technically-literate market.
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solution now would make it much more difficult
(nearly impossible) to migrate to a good solution in the future.
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is a job for an informed and alert mind.
a trained chimp can fake it for a while, but will come unstuck when
anything 'unusual' happensit's far better for the MCSE genes to be
discovered sooner rather than later.
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On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 10:38:54AM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 20:26:12 +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
i mostly agree but wouldn't put it anywhere near that strongly.
I would. Ben's phrasing strongly reminds me of Robert A. Heinlein;
especially of the concept
...there may be useful
ideas in there for you.
you want me to submit a real bug report or is this message enough to get
it added to your TODO list ?
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of it's own
accord. in the meantime, we can live with a few extra packages in our
unstable dist.
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from the early 90s :-) and mail them
to you. i'll GPL them first, so you can do what you want with them.
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On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 12:02:55AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
Craig Sanders wrote:
i agree. in fact, it's more like a solution searching for a problem than
even a superficial problem.
It's a problem that is only evident to people who haven't lived with it for
years. That doesn't mean it's
in some work
CAN join up as developers.
i started that way a few years ago, and i'll bet that most debian
developers did too.
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heresies so that all can see at a glance what kind of
perversion the branded one will try to lead them into.
btw, if you think that paragraph needed a smilie then you need to get
out more and relax a bit.
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and enthusiastic adoption of the Open Source
Definition, which is the DFSG with debian references stripped out), that is
also irrelevant...
neither software authors, nor users, nor the communities, nor anyone
except debian developers get a vote when it comes to debian's policies.
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-logout functionality.
nope. i create all new accounts with bash (*csh sucks). the problem also
occurs with ppp logins - in fact, that was how the problem was noticed.
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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
On Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 10:03:30AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
nope. i create all new accounts with bash (*csh sucks). the problem
also occurs with ppp logins - in fact, that was how the problem was
noticed.
perhaps cpu seconds limit enforced
On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
On Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 11:30:26AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
nope. the messages printed are specifically mentioning either 1)
that the idle timeout has been exceeded, or 2) that the daily time
limit has been exceeded.
Only on serial lines
upstream if it makes
sense to do so).
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On 15 Oct 1998, Paul Crowley wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
anyone know what it is in slink which is enforcing idle-timeout and daily
time limits on serial lines?
I don't have this problem, and I haven't installed idled:
Description: Idle Daemon. Removes idle users
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On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Raul Miller wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
there is no combined work until the source is compiled, linked to
the non-free library, and a binary produced.
Please show me where the GPL says this.
I'm tired of pointing out this is false, quoting from
On Mon, 12 Oct 1998, Raul Miller wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
similarly, i am tired of pointing out the errors in your
misinterpretation of the GPL.
Er... could you at least back up your assertions with quotes from the
GPL which support your position?
i have done so
, so s/libc/libFOO/ in my first
paragraph above.
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and binary forms. This permission
certainly includes linking against GUI toolkits like XForms, Motif, GTK, Qt
or Win32.
If that is still ok for Debian, I could live with it. Michael?
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system? sounds a bit far-fetched to me. :-)
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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998, Raul Miller wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no, the modifications to the source are fine. the GPL does not in
any way restrict the kinds of modifications you can make to GPL-ed
source code. You have the source, you can do what you want
speaking for myself, not
debian.
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On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the GPL explicitly makes an exception for libraries which are included
with the operating system itself.
Not quite so - it makes an exception for binaries that are NOT
included with that operating system itself
mean.) something based on
that would be great.
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Steve Lamb wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:33:15 +1000 (EST), Craig Sanders wrote:
the last sentence, from However, as a special exception is particularly
relevant here.
So, if Qt were disttributed with the OS then it would fall under
the special exception? :)
yes
permission they seek to distribute the KDE
software.
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On 10 Oct 1998, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
if you link a GPL-ed program and Qt, you are creating a work which is
derived from both. Since Qt's license is incompatible with the GPL
as far as distribution goes, you may not distribute that derived work
without
have to chase this one around?
this hair-splitting is just a distraction from the real question. see
previous messages for details.
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. if they ignore the
request or choose not to change their license then we have to yank the
software.
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Joseph Carter wrote:
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 12:35:31PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
non-free license. Neither I, nor anyone sensible, has any argument with
TT's license...it's their software, they can do what they like with it.)
That doesn't mean everyone else ise
and what the contents were when it was signed?
i wrote the message, but i didn't sign it. i don't normally sign my
email. i'll sign this one though :-)
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: 2.6.3ia
Charset: noconv
actualy sent this
message and what the contents were when it was signed?
Craig Sanders does not routinely sign his mail. Joseph Carter does.
Upon closer examination, one will find that the PGP/MIME signature
from Joseph Carter's previous message got attached to Craig Sanders'
reply
as well.
sounds good to me.
btw, i'm already using your squid 1.2-beta23-1 package on several
machines. works well.
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belive this psec should be open.
This is part #1 due to max. 1000k attachment using hot-mail.
Best regards
Free software lowers
looks like good intentions, legally questionable, and bad spelling :-)
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/binary-i386/tex
41465 main/binary-i386/math
45991 main/binary-i386/text
69621 main/binary-i386/editors
70242 main/binary-i386/x11
82342 main/binary-i386/doc
172210 main/binary-i386/devel
769520 total
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, etc.
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fi
;;
*)
locate -d /var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb $*
;;
esac
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this directory should also be populated with symlinks to all the
packages which autoup.sh needs to do the upgrade.
there should also be a copy of the the bo libc5 dpkg in there, to assist
with upgrades from rex/buzz.
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, this is a bug in dpkg, and should be fixed. but the problem exists
now, and if dpkg's revision history is anything to go by will continue
to exist for a long long time.
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for all pre-release packages?
In the mean time, unless anyone can object within the next several
hours, I will construct and upload a new release of glibc with the
version number: 2.0.7r-1
cool, that'll solve the immediate problem.
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On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Philip Hands wrote:
Yann Dirson wrote:
Craig Sanders writes:
how about using 2.07pre8-1, 2.07pre8-2, and so on for the
next set of glibc pre-releases?
Seems like it doesn't work:
$ dpkg --compare-versions 2.07pre8-1 '' 2.0.8 echo yes || echo
no no
You
of sendmail, smail, etc so that mail can be delivered for users
who only exist in a radius or LDAP directory and not in /etc/passwd.
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crap.
Perhaps much of this discussion could be solved if ae managed vi keybindings
a little better.
Martin.
P.S. This test was using ae version 962-20.
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the previous versions? if not, how
hard would it be to make it do so?
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lprng, magicfilter, gs (or gs-aladdin), and enscript : THE printing
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On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Joel Klecker wrote:
At 07:40 -0700 1998-06-02, Craig Sanders wrote:
BTW, the fact that you don't understand sendmail doesn't prevent
others from doing so. sendmail really isn't that difficult, and is
simpler in some ways because you don't have multiple config files
simply because
people don't know that they already exist or how to use them, or it never
occurs to them that a tool which is well-known for one particular use
(e.g. make) is also very useful for another (e.g. building and managing
config files instead of compiling programs)
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- the release is their baby, and their word is
final.
3. marketing and market research team. promotion of debian, and
researching user's needs/wants. drafting proposals to implement those
needs.
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has been through the
unstable - frozen - stable testing cycle.
group 3 - upgrades from monthly snapshot CD, and occasional via ftp for
some urgent fix.
this is just a 'me too' post in disguise. what you wrote says it all,
really.
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sendmail.mc and the sendmailconfig script are mind-bogglingly simple to
use, and will get a working configuration for 99% of cases in a minute
or two.
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that slackware didn't at last look have m4 sendmailconfig.
Another example of where slackware is doing more harm than good these
days by not adopting things the rest of the world has... =p
IMO, slackware doesn't matterit's a zombie OS (dead as a dodo, but
just doesn't realise it yet).
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really like apt. i've been using it to upgrade my own systems for
a few weeks now. it works. i've used 'apt-get upgrade' from the command
line, and apt as a dselect access method...i am very impressed with
apt's performance.
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wasting bandwidth and use a local machine.
I hope you will give it a priority of extra, then.
and don't forget these:
Conflicts: Clue
Recommends: dos-weenie-attitude
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tried it out on a 'spare'
machine recently - qmail's quite nice...if it wasn't for the license
and attitude problems i'd be quite tempted to switch to it) and the
build-qmail script could probably be very easily modified to be a
build-pine script.
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they should already have
in their local mirror.
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I've just released version 0.24 which fixes this (and a few minor problems
too).
v0.24: 1998-04-21 (Craig Sanders)
- added libstdc++, libslang0.99.34 (libc5), libslang0.99.38 (libc6),
netbase, and netstd to the list of packages to install.
- changed 'unstable' to 'frozen' in various
) then both
KDE and Qt can go into debian main. i hope that this is what will
happen.
if not, then KDE still belongs in contrib.
this is definitely worth investigating, anyway.
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a good new one i want to keep. loadalias is only there
so i can easily load newly created aliases into already running bash
xterms.
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# uncomment for debugging
#set -x
#DPKG=echo dpkg
#LDCONFIG=echo LDCONFIG
# upgrade a libc5 (bo) machine to libc6 (hamm).
# based on Scott Ellis' excellent Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO
# document at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html
# Author: Craig Sanders [EMAIL
to libc6 Mini-HOWTO
# document at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html
# Author: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#
# Copyright Status: This script is hereby placed in the public domain
#
# Revision History:
# v0.0: 1998-01-08 (morning)
# - a rough transcript of scott's doc and my
-HOWTO.html
# Author: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#
# Copyright Status: This script is hereby placed in the public domain
#
# Revision History:
# v0.0: 1998-01-08 (morning)
# - a rough transcript of scott's doc and my own experiences
# v0.1: 1998-01-08 (night)
# - a few bugfixes
# - i got unlazy
, except for bugfixes and maybe polishing the user input
bits it's basically finished.
i ran it earlier tonight on an old rex (or rex++, not quite bo anyway)
system, and it even worked on that.
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On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Lindsay Allen wrote:
Still one problem. /wg-15-locale/s//wg15-locale/
damn. i thought i got that one this morning.
i wont bother posting the script again. it's easy enough to fix.
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On 7 Jan 1998, Kai Henningsen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Sanders) wrote on 07.01.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 7 Jan 1998, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Elie Rosenblum wrote
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some files at llug.sep.bnl.gov/pub/debian/Incoming are stamped on 10 January
1998. As I write, nowhere on Earth is it now 10 January.
that just proves how advanced debian is, doesn't it :-)
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Debian: ahead of it's
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Lindsay Allen wrote:
Still one problem. /wg-15-locale/s//wg15-locale/
damn. i thought i got that one this morning.
i wont bother posting the script again. it's easy enough
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 09:52:00AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
# development because libc5 can't be upgraded to latest without removal
# of libc5-dev which also necessitates removal of other -dev packages
# like libdb1-dev and libdl1-dev
destroy your system but I am making no guarrantees at all: USE AT YOUR
OWN RISK.
---cut here---
#! /bin/sh
# safely upgrade a libc5 (bo) machine to libc6 (hamm).
# based on Scott Ellis' excellent Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO
# document.
# Author: Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#
# Copyright
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Lindsay Allen wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Craig Sanders wrote:
dpkg -iB base/perl-base_*.deb interpreters/perl_*.deb
Did you miss the change re perl?
# perl-base must be configured before installing perl
dpkg -iB */perl-base_*.deb dpkg -iB */perl_*.deb
missed
On 7 Jan 1998, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i've tried applying the gt256 fd patch but that causes some NFS
problems (i use nfs to mount my debian mirror for upgrades) which would
probably go away if netstd and netbase
.
ldconfig
dpkg -iB */perl-base_*.deb */perl_*.deb
# the user can now run dselect and select any -dev packages they want
# (and other packages too, of course :-)
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On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Elie Rosenblum wrote:
And thus spake Craig Sanders, on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 01:52:06AM +1100:
is there any debian policy on number of file descriptors compiled into the
kernel? (and also in limits.h in libc6-dev - AFAIK pretty much everything
that uses select
On 7 Jan 1998, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
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On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Elie Rosenblum wrote:
And thus spake Craig Sanders, on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 01:52:06AM +1100:
is there any debian policy on number of file descriptors
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several different plans on how to install them
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