Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 05 novembre 2007 à 05:18 +, brian m. carlson a écrit :
According to Wikipedia, the translator died in 1921, which means that
his translation occurred prior to 1923. In this case, the translation
is in the public domain in the United States, so the
Thaddeus H. Black writes:
We are going to support Unicode because we have
no practical alternative. However, Unicode is a bad
standard. It is highly overwrought. Its philosophy is
wrong. Its use complicates many things which do not
need complication.
Lots of accusations but no backup.
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Alexander Winston wrote:
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:17, David Starner wrote:
If you were a Debian developer, you could fix this by adopting or at least
NMUing important programs that were unmaintained. Is it easier to stand
on the outside and complain then actually work to making it better
This may be somewhat contraversal, but I wouldn't start with C or C++.
If you want to learn to program, start with something with bounds
checking and other safety guards. To be a serious programmer, you will
have to learn C and C++, but learning a programming language is only
a small part of
Debian 3.0 contains 7 CDs with binaries and Debian 3.1 might contain 10
or more CDs. How do you explain to a user why there are 10 CDs, but this
popular package is not included, and that package he needs is not
included?
Saying The maintainer didn't care enough about the package you need.
First, IANAL and not a native speaker nor a regular debian-legal reader,
but I can't see what is exactly nonfree in this piece of licence. In my
reading it just says,
1) Do what you want with it
2) Keep a NO WARRANTY section in the licence
3) Don't do any illegal stuff
The last is the
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the system in real life
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, then neither is not handling UTF-8, considering that's
requirement for India, home of over a sixth of the world's population.)
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Ic sæt me on anum leahtrice, ða com heo and bát me!
But they clearly do not want you to modify anything, including
character name! Character name is a searchable field, which some
applications may need.
It's an English field, for which there is a canonical translation
for French, and there should be translation for other languages.
The
. It's an upstream problem, so you might want talk
to them (kde-i18n-doc) about it, too. There's nothing that debian-devel
can do about it, and it seems likely if you talk to the people
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or details to add to
Debian Policy.
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versions for all
those packages? I know that mdate has had substaintially newer versions
out for almost two years now.
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is willing and able to do a job most of the rest
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for the past six years. I would
wager that there's been a major (50+ posts) thread on this subject on
this mailing list at worst every 6 months.
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under copyright in many EU
nations (life + 70 years, and Barrie died in 1937.) Also, Peter Pan is
under an eternal quasi-copyright in Britain, by a special act of
Parliment.
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If you don't have it you're on the other side
the license too.)
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is the evil twin of censorship, namely forced speech.
I can't see why... are you forced to package anything?
So I can't package something because there's something I need to change
(to make it Debian quality, for example) that I can't. That's very free.
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gcc from main? We just need to pull gcc's
documenation from main.
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this would be too much of a distraction from woody.
True. Probably better let it all pass for woody, like we did for KDE in
the distant past.
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(for example) is all right in documentation
and not in a comment in source code. I certainly don't want to see
non-modifiable fonts or game data in Debian.
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accepted. What does that have to do with other invariant stuff?
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of the DFSG are in conflict at least.
As far as I can see neither the gcc nor the binutils documentation has
invariant sections. I don't know about KDE.
Take a closer look at the GCC documenation, at funding free software.
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are not quite as clear as they should be for
now.
How can you claim that the DFSG, in spirit or letter, encourages
non-modifiable material of any sort? Even patch clauses are labeled
a compromise by the DFSG.
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If you
and
it will be 35% faster than your older distribution. More packages than
blah blah blah ...
then that's a serious annoyance, that I'm going to want to remove or at
least move. If the license doesn't let me, then then I don't really have
control of how my system works.
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Why? Considering how close to the release we are, and how easy it is,
why not do it now? It certainly won't interfer with the maintainer
closing them.
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, or at least the readings or
scope thereof. I'd say the onus is on the people who want to change the
status quo.
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be equally simple).
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and English.
ISO 8859-1 has been the traditional charset of English under Unix. (The
alternatives have usually been rough permutations of iso8859-1.) UTF-8
is nice, but too much stuff still spits up over it to make the default.
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complex scripts. It's a system designed for charcell
fonts with a one to one character to glyph correspondence. There's
only so much that can be hacked onto it, and scripts that require
shaping are generally considered outside that.
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always going to be LTR, single width, and
non-combining.
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we'll still be freakin' friends. - Freakin' Friends
. And this is because the RTL problem is
shared among Arabic and Hebrew.
But RTL is only a part of the problem. Arabeyes is a much better site
for general Arabization, including Arabic font making.
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On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 02:20:31PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
This is, IMO a bogus bug.
Go and fix a real bug. There are enough already.
A package that will do grave damage to your system if installed
is not a real bug?
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in 17 monitors uses 75dpi fonts?
Come on guys, it's a configuration choice. Change it and go on with your
life. It's against Debian's Social Contract to use our proprietary
Read Your Mind technology, so we have to pick a default, and 100dpi is it.
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Pointless
, and neither
was top.
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.) It's apparently a malset COLUMNS
variable.
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is English as spoken in the United Kingdom. The ISO country code for
the Ukraine is UA.
en_UK is not English as spoken in the United Kingdom. The ISO country code
for the United Kingdom is GB. UK is not yet assigned, according to
/usr/share/misc/countries.gz.
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as well pick up the README
file and other stuff in the /usr/share/doc/foo directory. I don't see
the reason to single out the README.Debian file.
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to README.Debian. I rarely read
README.Debian after first installation, so IMO, it's a bad place to put
things that change after installation.
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problems (like this one), so
the changelog is usually more interesting than the README.Debian.
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would catch anything important
and new.
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of the first files I read.
As I don't run sawfish, I really don't care.
In the above text I wrote at installation time, meaning when a package is
initially installed, not everytime I upgrade.
Which doesn't solve this problem.
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On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:39:10AM +0200, Cyrille Chepelov wrote:
(by the way, does the line mutt added at the very beginning of this post
display completely on your screen ?)
Here it does. The message I got was properly labeled as ISO-8859-1, too.
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possible,
why don't we just have the LaTeX/Texinfo/Tex/Docbook/whatever source, with
instructions on how to build ps/pdf in README.Debian? (The instructions are
nesseccary, unless you expect everyone to know how to build Docbook and
whatever other obscure formats.)
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and that English is LC_MESSAGES=C, not LC_MESSAGES=en_UK. If we're
changing this for GDM, it'd be better for GDM to call English C or en_US,
so there's no changes.
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their language, but
i think it was called english even before Colombo, right?
It's en_UK, btw. And the locale code for pre-Columbus English
is enm_UK (assuming that the locale system uses 3 character codes
where a 2 character one is not available), not en_UK.
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On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:01:12AM +0200, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
On Thu, 2001-09-13 at 20:32, David Starner wrote:
is enm_UK (assuming that the locale system uses 3 character codes
where a 2 character one is not available), not en_UK.
hey, i'd like to know _why_ enm... :)
We use
(!)
It hardly convinces me.
And? If that's what the upstream wants, I hardly see reason enough to
change it.
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On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:37:02AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
So, lets fix one problem by creating another problem! ECN isn't there
anymore!
So? Neither is a lot of options. You can recompile a kernel just
as well as anyone else.
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, 0x20AC },
{ 0x2122, 0x2122 }
};
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On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:14:26PM -0500, David Starner wrote:
One worry I have, is that we don't really want Debian to have a
large number of 'junk' fonts.
Which may be a bit panicy on my part. The same thing could happen
with themes, yet we don't have a problem with an overwhelming
number
than just let bugs set.
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block for me; it would certainly help to
get a translator/editor for the full blown proposals.
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on the
ramifactions.
Anyway, grisu is offering working code. There is no working dpkg
solution, nor consensus that a dpkg solution would be better.
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my locales
(mainly UTF-8). How does making it a conffile hurt things again?
(locale.gen attached as an extreme example that needs to be supported.)
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meant
to be chains; it's meant to be a way for us to build a consistent
well-designed OS.
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not well documented (neither gettext (3) or setlocale (n) seems to
mention it), but:
~ $ date -h
date: invalid option -- h
Try `date --help' for more information.
~ $ LANGUAGE=xo:eo_EO:de_DE:en date -h
date: Ungültige Option -- »h«
Mit `date --help' bekommen Sie mehr Informationen.
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and that implemenators had plenty of
warning that that bit might need to be used. He did not say that ECN
should be turned on by default.
Your words can be translated (very liberally) as We should never
improve anything; even backward compatible extensions will break
something, and so should be shunned.
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sure
that we had our directories straight.
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find a few on the web.
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in one.)
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,
and display an iso8859-15-tagged text with the same byte stream with
a Euro, and be able to handle a UTF-8 email with both of them.
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/locale/iso8859-15/Compose, which specifices
compose+C+=, compose+=+C, compose+e+=, and compose+E+= as the
compose keys for the Euro.
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On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:08:42PM +0200, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote:
El 09 May 2001 13:51:15 -0500, David Starner escribió:
Yep. If you go to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/, there's a number of files
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where it would actually matter - then you could just use
es_ES.ISO-8859-15
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for a shell and keeps an alphabetic order
people (of that language) would consider reasonable. If sorting the
dots in made more people happy than not, it would be good, but most
of us seem to not care in most sorting situations, except the shell
where it's a pain.
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On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 01:40:24PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
Anyone have any idea what the chances are of getting Atari to release some
of this stuff into the public domain?
It'd be Hasbro now, and from what I've heard, not great. Still might
be worth a try.
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debian-legal, I'm sure we can give advice. If it's just Python,
I'd say with the exception that it can be linked with Python.
The LGPL is about the same as your current license, but a lot
clearer.
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On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:17:40PM -0500, David Starner wrote:
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:04:29PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
serpento is a dict (RFC 2229) server
written in python.
I am the author, package is already ready and being
duploaded
easy to check if you aren't sure.
* The essentials list is a little old, and it includes ldso and update,
which apparently aren't build-essential anymore. Bug-report time . . .
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the second. My time is far more important than saving
memory - my two-year-old computer has 128 MB - what's an extra 4MB
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that are absurd in these conditions.
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debian-devel. Instead, mail [EMAIL
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Whatever happened to just leaving debian-devel out of it and using
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for a speed-up
that maybe as big as what the kernel will give you, and I would
reckon that most of the other people that had the libc-i[56]86
packages installed haven't either. It's analogous to the kernel
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(K) 3141
manually configuring
your kernel instead of going apt-get install kernel-2.8.88-i686.
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I ran dselect, and lo and behold, checkmp3 appeared. A package
with the same name, similar version number (1.97.3 vs. 1.97.2),
same description and same maintainer as mp3check. This is bad -
should I file a bug on f.d.o, mp3check, checkmp3, or all the
above?
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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 12:12:45AM -0500, David Starner wrote:
On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 10:47:22AM -0700, erik wrote:
I just can't keep my mouth shut about this any longer and the
unnecassary divisions (read demolitions) of KDE packages are the last
straw
BTW, what would it take
small programs to generate
a new Wiccan calendar and a new Jewish calendar (and parts of the Christian
calendar) each year? Not that I have the knowledge to do so . . .
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://bugs.debian.org has complete instructions on how to do that, or
you can run bug if it is installed.
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them. (Or
both.)
If the program needs one to run, then at least one should be packaged.
I'd prefer not to see a lot of installers that download free software -
the one's that download non-free stuff are annoying and cause enough
problems as it is.
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was wondering what happened to it? It didn't appear in the
archives, it wasn't moved to REJECT or DONE, it just disappeared.
I was wondering if there was some long flame war on debian-private
that I was missing.
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It was starting to rain
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:29:32AM +1100, Donovan Baarda wrote:
packages into unstable. Helix is too stable for unstable, and too unstable
for stable.
Not exactly true, as Helix Gnome is usually more cutting-edge than unstable
Gnome.
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incident, as I don't think I can
load my .xsession in under 6 seconds. Since *dm requires you get a
username and password (bwahaahaa!), use it.
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to the GTK plugin, not because it looked better (because it doesn't), but
because QT is 5 MB in memory, more than GTK + Glib + Gnome libs. At least
we can stop the idelogical arguments.
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On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 09:21:02AM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote:
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:05:27PM -0500, David Starner wrote:
I guess RevKrusty may want to put his packages into Debian?
He already uploaded kdelibs, I didn't see if it was installed.
I was wondering what happened
or
a private machine and tell people how to get them.
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remember Wichert agreed to this use.
What still needs to be done to have a debian section for software
covered by software patents?
The problem is not patents, it's that this particular patent also
applies in Germany, meaning we can't distribute from non-us either.
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into contrib. It's free, but depends on something
outside of Debian to build.
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