broad goals (Re: finally end single-person maintainership)

2024-05-22 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 12:25:49AM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > I would rather see a small but very stable base distribution, with the > > option to add features on top. > Doesn't this conflict with debian being universal? for some it surely does, while for others it's needed to make Debian

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-05-22 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 07:18:04AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > IMHO this is a hen-egg-problem: If NMUer could expect packages beeing on > Salsa we could require the NMUer to add at least a MR. those are two things: - mandating salsa (for git) - mandating to have MRs enabled on salsa for that

Re: Salsa - best thing in Debian in recent years? (Re: finally end single-person maintainership)

2024-05-21 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 04:11:02AM +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > The Debian archive itself is a VCS, so git-maintained packaging is also a > duplication, and keeping the official VCS and git synchronized is causing > additional work for developers, which is why people are opposed to having it >

Re: Any volunteers for lintian co-maintenance?

2024-05-21 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 01:00:00PM -0700, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > Regarding this discussion in general, I get the sense that > participants haven't actually tried Debputy and are not aware of its > capabilities. If you have Podman/Docker you can effortlessly run this > little check to get some

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-07 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 04:24:06PM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote: > Consider a long running task, which will take days or weeks (which is the > norm in simulation and science domains in general). System emitted a warning > after three days, that it'll delete my files in three days. My job won't be >

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Holger Levsen
clone 966621 -1 reassign -1 release-notes thanks On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 10:40:00AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > We have two separate issues here: > > a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs > b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp > > I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. very much

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-12 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 09:53:29AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue Apr 9, 2024 at 7:37 PM BST, Holger Levsen wrote: [...] > I agree with everything you say here! :) > Wrt git-buildpackage, I'd like to add that personally, I respect the gbp > authors and maintainers and it's a

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, just adding some random data points to this thread: - I love git. - I very much dislike git-buildpackage, too much magic. I try to avoid it where I can. - I like salsa. (though I think for many new contributors this is rather a barrier "why not use github" directly. Also salsa is Debian

ufw (was Re: Debian openssh option review: considering splitting out GSS-API key exchange)

2024-04-04 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 01:32:11PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > So you have dedicated packet filters on every machine you run, even if > sshd is the only network-facing service? on most machines and it was as simple as doing: apt install ufw ufw allow ssh ufw enable voila, done. rules configured

Re: Package marked for autoremoval due to closed bug? [and 1 more messages]

2024-03-21 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:47:21AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Package marked for autoremoval due to closed bug? > [and 1 more messages]"): > > Steve, could you please do this for *all* the time_t transition RC > > bugs? > IMO things are currently ON FIRE. I'd rather

Re: How to ask efficiently for removal of 32 bit architectures of about 40 packages (Was: reverse dependenc)

2024-03-11 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 08:26:40PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > do mutt -s "RM: remove $package" -i tmpfile $package the 2nd $package in that line must be sub...@bugs.debian.org -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|la

Re: How to ask efficiently for removal of 32 bit architectures of about 40 packages (Was: reverse dependenc)

2024-03-11 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 09:12:30PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > I hope there is some better solution than sending single bug reports > for those packages. If ftpmaster tooling really needs single bug > reports I wonder how I can automatically create such bug reports with > always the same text,

Re: New requirements for APT repository signing

2024-03-04 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Mar 04, 2024 at 07:47:08AM -, Sune Vuorela wrote: > In theory. I don't know if there are any statistics on 'popular' > 3rdparty repositories and their keys. I suspect src:extrepo-data is a good starting point for anyone interested in generating such statistics... -- cheers,

Re: usrmerge breaks POSIX

2024-02-15 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 10:08:11AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Not for mksh. so the subject should be "mksh is broken with usrmerge"? -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D

Re: Confusion over t64 migration

2024-02-10 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 12:16:48PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > I'm also of the opinion that *someone* should do this for all these bugs > but I am too lazy to do it myself. sebas...@debian.org has thankfully done this, 15min before I wrote the above. -- cheers,

Re: Confusion over t64 migration

2024-02-10 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 10:01:06AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > So at the moment, I am unclear why there are bugs filed with severity > serious that apparently cannot be fixed. Shouldn't they be normal with > a tag wontfix until the relevant dpkg changes are in unstable? I've downgraded those in

Re: Bits from the Release Team: Cambridge sprint update

2023-12-18 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 06:23:46PM +, Paul Gevers wrote: > During the wonderful mini-DebConf at Cambridge, the Release Team had a sprint > and other discussions. Some of the discussed topics are worth sharing, so here > we go. [...] > Reproducibility migration policy >

Re: DEP17 - /usr-merge - what has happened - what will happen - what you can do to help

2023-11-16 Thread Holger Levsen
hi Helmut, On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 04:35:18PM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > What I actually meant was the set of packages used by debootstrap, but I > wrote essential. ah! > In essence, this is "Priority: required". I'm not sure > about "Priority: important" yet. debootstrap seems to reliably

Bug#1054595: ITP: nom -- command line tool that helps you lose weight

2023-10-26 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, m...@blinry.org * Package name: nom Version : 0.1.3 * URL : https://github.com/blinry/nom * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: Ruby Description : command

+1 (Re: debian/copyright format and SPDX)

2023-09-22 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 08:43:25AM -, Sune Vuorela wrote: > I do think that this is another point of "we should kill our babies if > they don't take off". And preferably faster if/when "we lost" the race. > > We carried around the debian menu for a decade or so after we failed to > gain

Re: Bug#1052004: libcbor: requires source-only upload to transition

2023-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 11:29:27PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > What's the status of throwing away the binaries when doing a non-source-only > upload? it's an existing feature of dak waiting to be enabled by ftp-master. I'd guess that nowish would be a good time to enable it. -- cheers,

Bug#1050815: snapshot.d.o has been in a bad state for several months

2023-08-29 Thread Holger Levsen
package: snapshot.debian.org severity: important x-debbugs-cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, reproducible-bui...@lists.alioth.debian.org Hi, filing this as a bug report, again, because the problem has become worse than when #1031628 was filed and since snapshot.d.o is part of the central

POT creation date should match last modification of the source (Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row)

2023-08-21 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 11:42:32AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, 2023-08-15 at 09:21 -0400, Boyuan Yang wrote: > > --- ibus-array-0.2.2.orig/po/zh_TW.po > > +++ ibus-array-0.2.2/po/zh_TW.po > > @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ msgid "" > >  msgstr "" > >  "Project-Id-Version: ibus-array 0.2.2\n" > >  

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-21 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 06:06:34PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:28:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct.en starts off with: > > "The Debian Project, the producers of the Debian system, have adopted a > code of conduct for

Re: [RFC] Extending project standards to services linked through Vcs-*

2023-08-21 Thread Holger Levsen
hi Nik, On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 05:00:04PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > Generally, not having a clear policy on that VCS package maintenance means > is, in my opinion, one of the major obstacles when trying to contribute > to Debian. [...] have you considered dgit? -- cheers, Holger

Re: Request for review of debootstrap change [was: Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters]

2023-08-13 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:56:03PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > what about cdebootstrap? > cdebootstrap (and mmdebstrap) never implemented a merging step[1] and to > this date rely on the usrmerge package doing it at postinst time. Once > base-files ships the aliasing symlinks, both will

Re: Request for review of debootstrap change [was: Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters]

2023-08-11 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 09:38:02AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > This is implemented in > > https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debootstrap/-/merge_requests/96 what about cdebootstrap? -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org

Re: pre-MBF: fail to build (repack) source

2023-07-17 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 11:10:52AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > I wonder what's the point of B-D-Arch And B-D-Indep then? > > The point is the same as it always was: primarily to exclude large > dependencies from a `dpkg-buildpackage -B` build chroot (like the official > buildd for each

Re: pre-MBF: fail to build (repack) source

2023-07-17 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Adam, On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 12:03:00AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Here's a raw list of packages that fail to build their source (ie, > "dpkg-buildpackage -S"). Usually, this is either due to Build-Depends > being inadequate (per the Policy, B-D-Indep are _not_ necessarily > installed),

Re: pre-MBF: fail to build (repack) source

2023-07-17 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 11:41:36AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 at 00:03:00 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > due to Build-Depends > > being inadequate (per the Policy, B-D-Indep are _not_ necessarily > > installed) > For completeness, B-D-Arch are not guaranteed to be

Re: /usr-merge: continuous archive analysis

2023-07-14 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Helmut, thanks for your continuious work on this! On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 03:34:38PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > To make matters worse, an upload to bookworm-backports > is immediately available to users and there is no migration that some > check (such as dumat) could hook into. there is

Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters

2023-07-07 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Jul 07, 2023 at 09:55:05AM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Thus far, my impression was that temporarily (<1week, preferably <1day) > breaking the ability to debootstrap was an acceptable risk and is > something we experience every now and then anyway (with adduser most > recently).

Re: amount of bootstrapping tools in Debian (Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters)

2023-06-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:59:18PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > however it's author also said on #-devel just now: [...] < josch> | h01ger: i'm not multistraps author though (josch AFAICS is the last maintainer of it, maintaining it from 2016 to 2018.) my point is: it's more than

Re: amount of bootstrapping tools in Debian (Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters)

2023-06-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:28:28PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 09:15:30PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > to how you see things moving forward? > > Changing the bootstrap tools seems much safer. It is just two tools, > three: debootstrap, mmdebs

amount of bootstrapping tools in Debian (Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters)

2023-06-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 09:15:30PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > to how you see things moving forward? > Changing the bootstrap tools seems much safer. It is just two tools, three: debootstrap, mmdebstrap and cdebootstrap. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁

Re: Policy consensus on transition when removing initscripts.

2023-06-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 03:15:24PM +0100, Mark Hindley wrote: > Debian Policy no longer requires that packages which provide a systemd > .service > file also provide an initscript. This permits maintainers who so wish to > remove > initscripts from their packages. However, initscripts remain

Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal

2023-06-09 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Jun 09, 2023 at 11:49:21AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > You mean by somehow refreshing the signatures there? > Some ideas for that are here: > https://bugs.debian.org/763419 > https://bugs.debian.org/820423 interesting. thanks for those pointers! -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀

Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal

2023-06-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 07:14:17PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > I concur. Given Simon's analysis and the replies even when combined with > earlier messages, I now see significantly more voices for the opinion: > > i386 primarily exists for running legacy binaries and binary >

Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal

2023-06-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 11:19:15AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Would it be feasible to drop i386 but still support this use-case by > requiring folks to use historical releases on archive.debian.org? You mean by somehow refreshing the signatures there? Would IMO also be useful for other archs. :)

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

2023-05-12 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 03:29:29PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> >Oh holy fuck. > So why the hell do you want to break this in the first place? > You're wilfully missing the point, and you know it. > I have better things to do than argue about this. I refuse to engage > with this right now.

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-04-27 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:58:46AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > My gut feeling is that we are wasting prescious time of numerous > skilled Debian Developers to find ugly workarounds to something that > should be done in dpkg, but isnt being done because one dpkg > maintainer has decided to not go

Re: Starting the weekly live images for Bookworm building again

2023-03-20 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 03:13:47PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > So, after some delay from me and some further delays from various > Debian machines committing suicide [1], I've got bookworm live builds > running again. \o/ this is great news! thanks and kudos to everyone involved! -- cheers,

Bug#1032440: www.d.o: please link to single html page version of developers-reference

2023-03-06 Thread Holger Levsen
package: www.debian.org severity: wishlist x-debbugs-cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org hi, On Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 07:46:43PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > [...], there's a single page HTML version available again, eg on > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/deve

src:developers-reference, call for patches, bug fixes & translations

2023-03-06 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, so I've uploaded src:developers-reference 12.17 today, marking the 17th upload during the bookworm release cycle - and I'm not done with src:developers-reference and bookworm yet, though further updates will only change the documentation itself and it's translations. During the bullseye

Re: Reducing allowed Vcs for packaging?

2023-02-27 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 10:25:21AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Why don't we just fix all those packacges, instead of changing any > documents? Is there anyone who actually wants to introduce new packages > not using git? I'm not so sure. mostly agreed, i'm just sure there will be very few

Re: Consensus on closing old bugs

2023-02-13 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 10:45:16PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, Feb 06, 2023 at 10:07:59AM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Most of us do not prefer to close bugs simply because they are old. > It creates angry users and no real benefits. this is undoubtingly true for some bugs and users.

Re: Please, minimize your build chroots

2023-01-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 03:11:39PM +0100, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > And I asked in my mail to please "decouple the policy and bug severity > question > from the question of what a buildd chroot should contain" for a reason. yes, I know. my point was that too many people won't be

Re: Please, minimize your build chroots

2023-01-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 02:28:30PM +0100, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > could we decouple the policy and bug severity question from the question of > what a buildd chroot should contain, please? [...] > Why do people call just accepting that Priority:required packages have to be >

+1 (Re: SONAME bumps (transitions) always via experimental)

2023-01-05 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Jan 05, 2023 at 12:26:09PM +0100, Paul Gevers wrote in a mail with the subject "SONAME bumps (transitions) always via experimental)": > Are there objections against this workflow? (Or voices from people who like > this?) I like this. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁

Re: Bug#1026087: ITP: distribution-gpg-keys -- GPG keys by various Linux distributions

2022-12-17 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 01:22:30AM +0100, Juri Grabowski wrote: > Quebes is not really RPM distribution as long I know. It is: Qubes' dom0 is based on Fedora. (and then you can install (almost) any other distro in domU, not just linux however, but also BSDs, Mirage, Windows or something else.)

Re: Enabling branch protection on amd64 and arm64

2022-10-31 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 01:09:39AM +0100, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > > this change is only targeted at two archs, which I'd hope could cope with > > it. > If we ignore/break MA: same co-installability, sure. point taken, thanks! -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁

Re: Enabling branch protection on amd64 and arm64

2022-10-31 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 12:27:12AM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > Some of the architectures already have a hard time keeping up with the > normal load. this change is only targeted at two archs, which I'd hope could cope with it. > Enabling these flags as soon as the trixie release cycle

Re: Firmware GR result - what happens next?

2022-10-14 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 01:32:41PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > 4. Keep all non-free-firmware packages in non-free too. This would be > backwards compatible, but may expose bugs in dak, debian-cd, apt and > other tools, so IIRC this has been vetoed by the archive and CD teams. > This also wouldn't

Re: Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

2022-09-13 Thread Holger Levsen
Thanks Antoine and Dylan for those two mails today, now I have a much better understanding of the reasons for switching! -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ Everyone

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

2022-09-10 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 09:38:39PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Should we repeat this mistake? Or put this differently: is there a pressing > need/compelling reason to switch to pipewire in bookworm? > I.e. what I miss from the proposal are the benefits of pipewire over > pulseaudio. > Can you

Re: Need a buildd build after trip through NEW -- best practice?

2022-08-25 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:06:55PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > > The patch for dropping NEW binaries has been in dak for two years but > > its configuration options were never enabled by ftp-master so far. > > Dinstall::ThrowAwayNewBinarySuites > > Dinstall::ThrowAwayNewBinaryComponents > I would

Re: Need a buildd build after trip through NEW -- best practice?

2022-08-25 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 07:13:52PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, 2022-08-25 at 11:04 +0200, Paul Gevers wrote: > > In testing and on release architectures, I'm only aware [1] of one that > > can't build arch:all+arch:any binaries on amd64 (cmucl), but even that > > one builds its arch:all

Re: Need a buildd build after trip through NEW -- best practice?

2022-08-23 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 04:59:10PM -0500, Steven Robbins wrote: > Commonly, I update a package that provides a shared library. Due to the > package naming convention, a new SOVERSION necessitates a trip through NEW, > which in turn means a binary upload. > > The binary upload cannot transition

Re: Epoch for node-markdown-it

2022-08-20 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 03:29:59PM +, Stefano Rivera wrote: > > > Epochs cause problems, [...] > > which are? (I agree they are ugly and should often be avoided, but I don't > > see any unsolved problems with them, which is why I'm asking.) > The standard one is that people use them to revert

Re: Epoch for node-markdown-it

2022-08-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 06:00:44PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > Epochs cause problems, [...] which are? (I agree they are ugly and should often be avoided, but I don't see any unsolved problems with them, which is why I'm asking.) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁

Re: Epoch for node-markdown-it

2022-08-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 05:50:46PM +0200, Andrej Shadura wrote: > As Jonas said, an epoch cannot be undone, +really can, regardless when this > is going to happen. Both are ugly solutions, but an epoch is also evil, > unlike +really  it's still only version number cosmetics, or nit-picking or

Re: Coq packages in Debian : difficult transitions

2022-08-02 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 01:00:03PM +0200, julien.pu...@gmail.com wrote: > > Please file a transition bug. The mailing list has a high volume and > > non-bug mails may be overlooked. > Well, I would file a bug for a specific transition, but first I would > like to discuss how to handle transitions

+1 (Re: Bug#1014908: ITP: gender-guesser -- Guess the gender from first name)

2022-07-21 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:16:19AM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: > Yes, it's one of the ways people learn about software that is being > packaged and they might like to become involved in. > I find reading ITPs > > 1) increases my interest in Debian because I see cool stuff people are > doing > > 2)

Re: Bug#1014908: ITP: gender-guesser -- Guess the gender from first name

2022-07-16 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 10:05:59AM +, Stefano Rivera wrote: > I think it's our business, as a community, and as conference organisers, > to try to increase the diversity at our events. To me, that means > increasing speaker diversity, primarily. Attendee diversity won't change > unless the

Re: Bug#1014908: ITP: gender-guesser -- Guess the gender from first name

2022-07-16 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 09:12:16AM +, Stefano Rivera wrote: > If you're asking about DebConf 22, we have that information: [...] > I guess we should expose this in our conference statistics. We care > about it. but why? how is gender relevant for participating in DebConf as a whole? (i can

Re: how to convey package porting details?

2022-06-06 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 10:47:38AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Is this really worth the effort, considering that probably RISC-V is > going to be our last port for a very long time? you mean like 640kb should be enough for everyone? :) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁

Re: Firmware: Scope of non-free-firmware

2022-05-11 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 12:04:15AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 10 May 2022 14:30 -06, Sam Hartman: > > 2) We value being able to build from source when we can. We value > > being able to have reproducible builds when we can. We don't want to > > take steps backward in those areas in order to

Re: Reminder to participate in the Debian Developer's Survey

2022-05-04 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, May 04, 2022 at 07:19:34AM -0300, David Bremner wrote: > For the record, I gave up on the survey about half way through because > it refused to let me advance without giving an answer to one of the > questions. Consider this feedback on the survey design. for the record, I gave up on the

writing good GR ballots (Re: Firmware - what are we going to do about it?)

2022-04-22 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 10:52:04AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I agree with this option split, but that reminds me of a different > procedural note. > > While I recognize and respect the desire to create a comprehensive ballot, > I'm still going to advocate for proposing a GR only with the

Re: Firmware - what are we going to do about it?

2022-04-22 Thread Holger Levsen
hi Steve, On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 01:27:46AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > TL;DR: firmware support in Debian sucks, and we need to change this. See the > "My preference, and rationale" Section below. [...] and anyone involved, especillay including those not listed here: > Thanks to people who

Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0

2022-03-14 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 01:10:19PM +, Wookey wrote: > > You're trying to produce packages from CI builds or other automation > > where you sometimes have native Debian revisions. > > > > * you are producing a package where you have distinct upstream and > > debian branches, and you cannot

Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0

2022-03-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Lucas, On Sun, Mar 06, 2022 at 09:25:45PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > There are 629 packages in bookworm that use source format 1.0. That's 1.9% of > bookworm packages. many thanks for filing these bugs and even more thanks for filing them with severity wishlist! I've just read one bug

Debian Reunion Hamburg 2022 from May 23 to 30

2022-03-10 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, as last year there will be a Debian Reunion Hamburg 2022 event taking place at the same location as previous years, from May 23rd until the 30th. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/de/2021/DebianReunionHamburg for much more information! This is just a preliminary announcement to get

Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0

2022-03-06 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Lucas, thanks for doing this MBF! I agree with the other two replies and have another thing to add: On Sun, Mar 06, 2022 at 09:25:45PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I propose to file bugs using the following template, and make them Severity: > serious after a month (minimum). > >

Re: MBF: valgrind-if-available

2022-02-26 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 03:40:09AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > No, and the recent debacle revealed enough reasons that I'm pondering a MBF > to change that _back_ in packages which followed the bad advice. do you have a # as a starter? -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁

Re: Including build metadata in packages

2022-02-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 02:13:10PM -0800, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > Curious to hear your thoughts! I'd just like to comment with three rather general comments: a.) thanks for bringing this up here, Vagrant. b.) solving this seems to be a requirement for getting the build-essential package

Re: developers-reference "vs" wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer

2022-02-11 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:25:36AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I agree with Stephan's and Sam's reasoning, I think the detailed > information should be in the devref. > > A wiki is by definition open to edition by any (authorized?) user; the > devref has named editors (as you are very well aware

developers-reference "vs" wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer

2022-02-10 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, so Stephan Lachnit submitted an MR for developers-reference on Monday to document how to grant DM upload permissions, which I gladly merged, even though I was aware of "#653399: developers-reference: Please include a paragraph about Debian Maintainers (DM)" still being unresolved. Which

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 09:28:16PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > The argument why a package which has an upstream-induced shared > library version bump, has to go through the entire NEW gauntlet [...] I hear your frustration but don't you think that language like "gauntlet" makes it, uhm, very

yet another thread about NEW

2022-01-26 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 11:43:36AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > Without the NEW queue, there would be no point at which packaging receives > any sort of review. I'd prefer Debian to deliver at least some level of > quality. +1 -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁

Re: What are the most important projects that Debian ought to work on?

2022-01-24 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:19:25PM +0100, Sébastien Delafond wrote: > We were thinking of sending the survey itself in about 2 weeks, so > that'd be the timeline for your ideas to appear in there. ah, cool, thanks. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁

Re: What are the most important projects that Debian ought to work on?

2022-01-24 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Séb, On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:31:01AM +0100, Sébastien Delafond wrote: > As part of an upcoming survey that we are preparing, we plan to ask > Debian developers to rank, by order of importance, the most popular > ideas of improvements for Debian. thanks for doing this! I'm curious for the

Re: Dropping dpatch for bookworm

2022-01-07 Thread Holger Levsen
hi Moritz, On Fri, Jan 07, 2022 at 12:35:12AM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > There are only 24 packages left using dpatch and the vast majority of > remaining > uses are packages which haven't seen a maintainer upload for a decade or > longer. [...] > So unless there's objections, I'd bump

Re: MBF: please drop transitional dummy package foo (if they were part of two releases or more)

2022-01-05 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 08:47:06PM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > Holger Levsen wrote: > > again, I'm planning an small mass bug filing against obsolete transitional > > packages, which are at least marked "dummy transitional" since the buster > > relea

Re: DD(s) to help DM land some long-overdue package updates?

2022-01-01 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Jan 01, 2022 at 02:48:49PM -0500, Boyuan Yang wrote: > should be the correct choice. For a specific example, I just spotted > https://bugs.debian.org/961136 the second time (last time back in May 2020); yet the bug was never pinged after it was filed. and so as many bugs it "got lost",

Re: [RFC] changes to rsyslog

2021-11-20 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:57:11AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > Do you know of a tool that does what logcheck does, but operating > > directly on the journal?  Logcheck is the only reason I still have > > rsyslog installed on the servers I maintain. same here, I use (and tune) logcheck on all

Re: Bug#1000000: fixed in phast 1.6+dfsg-2

2021-11-20 Thread Holger Levsen
congrats to the Debian Med team for filing #100 *and* fixing it so quickly! well done & well deserved to hit this "special bug" :) -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C

Re: Proposed mass bug filing: packages without support for build-arch and build-indep

2021-11-06 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Nov 06, 2021 at 11:31:25AM +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > I think severity serious is fine if you use an appropriate Version so that > this won't block testing migration. I would still prefer if this was filed > at important severity, and raised to serious after a month or so.

Re: deb822 sources by default for bookworm

2021-11-03 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Nov 03, 2021 at 05:32:53PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > I don't know, to be honest, have not thought about it yet. many thanks for your verbose reply! /me likes this timeline. > I think an automatic migration might be to painful what with all the > juju and ansible and saltstack

Re: deb822 sources by default for bookworm

2021-11-03 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Julian, this sounds like a nice and useful plan and feature(s), thank you! just one question: On Wed, Nov 03, 2021 at 04:45:15PM +0100, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > I'd like us to move from > /etc/apt/sources.list > to > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.sources [...] > #timeline You

thank *you*, team@security.d.o! (was Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 5000-1] openjdk-11 security update)

2021-11-01 Thread Holger Levsen
hey hey, hear hear! On Mon, Nov 01, 2021 at 07:44:34PM +, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > - > Debian Security Advisory DSA-5000-1 secur...@debian.org WHHO! that's *something* to *celebrate*!!1 Very

Re: partman, growlight, discoverable partitions, and fun

2021-09-27 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 06:49:53PM -0400, Nick Black wrote: > So the only ones covered by partman and not covered by growlight would be: > amiga, atari, sun, > and mac (if mac is not the same as APM). I don't see any difficulty in > adding these four, so long > as there's someone with an Amiga or

Re: Bug#992692: general: Use https for {deb,security}.debian.org by default

2021-09-12 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 03:10:27AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > ISTR the future of creating new Debian installations is to move from > debootstrap to dpkg/apt. As an interim step, debootstrap could [...] I've switched all my occurances of using debootstrap to mmdebstrap and am a very happy user of

Re: Debian Reunion Hamburg 2021

2021-09-07 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 03:18:21PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > I'm glad to finally be able to send out this invitation for the "Debian > Reunion > Hamburg 2021" taking place at the venue of the 2018 & 2019 MiniDebConfs! > > The event will run from Monday, S

Re: Debian Reunion Hamburg 2021

2021-09-01 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 01:56:08PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > Great to hear that someone will take place in Hamburg again! :) > One question, is the collision with MiniDebCamp Regensburg > intended/accidental/duly noted, iirc both dates were choosen independently and based on venue

Re: Automated backports based on Janitor work?

2021-08-27 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 03:04:34PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > uploading to -backports also implies the promise to keep maintaining that > > backport until the next release is out... I'm not sure that part of the > > upload should be automated nor forgotten ;) > Oh I wasn't thinking about

Re: Automated backports based on Janitor work?

2021-08-27 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 11:39:06AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > There's probably a large number of packages that just require a > rebuild (+ test with autopkgtest) to be backported. uploading to -backports also implies the promise to keep maintaining that backport until the next release is

Re: merged /usr

2021-08-17 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 05:56:15PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > tl;dr: I would prefer it if the usrmerge variation continues to be > exercised for the testing suite for the foreseeable future. ack, thanks (for the long version especially :) & agreed. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀

MBF: please drop transitional dummy package foo (if they were part of two releases or more)

2021-08-17 Thread Holger Levsen
t 137 bugs to be filed. ;) I have done this for the previous two releases as well, from which there are still 277 open bugs as of now. This is an example bug: (so it's a bit dated and that package was even part of three releases, though it's gone now...) On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 02:31:45PM +0200, Hol

Re: Gitlab support for Debian repositories (Was: Regarding the new "Debian User Repository")

2021-08-17 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 07:18:03PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Well, then we disagree (and that's fine). Personally, I'd rather have my > CI system try to find as many problems as possible, so I can fix them > *before* I upload, rather than after. I didn't try to build a CI system here, but

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