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in the decision making.
As Sam and Roberto explain below (doing a much better job than I did),
there are, nor did I intend to imply that there were not. There are no
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Paul E Condon writes:
I've been using Debian since Potato.
So have I.
I love it, but you should have at least two computers running Debian,
and be able to spend a few hours or days with one of them
non-functional
I've never had that problem.
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Stephan Seitz writes:
So, if I want to write bug reports, what is now the correct expression
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Don't overthink it. If you are having a problem with cron type
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Ok, I;m sure someone is. If you're that someone are you using the
--terse option? If not how much hassle would it be to have add it?
Upstream is considering non-backward-compatible changes.
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it to the existing line. That wouldn't
really help as hwclock is always present and would satisfy the $time
requirements before chrony started.
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Petter Reinholdtsen writes:
If you are going to do this, it might be a good idea to try to do it
before the syslog collector starts, as most daemons depend on $syslog
and would thus start after the clock is correct.
Unfortunately, chrony also wants $syslog.
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guarantees that no script depending on $time will start before chrony
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No, wait. Chrony depends on things that depend indirectly on $time (so
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$syslog should be able live with the rare stepping.
I think I'll have chrony require hwclockfirst and add X-Start-Befores
for packages such as dovecot that stepping might break (so if you know
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affected and booting would be
slowed.
Other than this, I don't know any reason why you shouldn't.
Well, it's a reason. But note that such backward stepping would only
happen when your clock is really screwed up.
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correct the time, the clock would move backwards 30
seconds or so and dovecot would crash.
I can add an X-Starts-Before: dovecot line to protect dovecot.
I think that ideally chrony would replace hwclock as provider of $time
when present but I don't know how to arrange that...
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I just wanted to clarify the point that this advisory locking is not DRM.
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In the USA... Not in Germany and France. Ignoring DRM let you run into
touble here.
This is _not_ DRM. It is just advisory locking. It has no more legal
significance than X-please-do-not-copy: yes in the header of an email
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and the source and help me find the
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among early North American
colonists when their first winter arrived.
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Ron Johnson writes:
Hawaii ('Pacific/Honolulu)
IIRC Hawaii does not observe DST (DST makes even less sense in the tropics
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À³î writes:
I just want to know why debian weekly news was not updated?
Because the voluteer who was doing it has decided not to do it any more.
He has asked for help in every issue, but none was forthcoming.
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. It also does not apply to work done by US
federal government contractors.
...are undermined by enough special cases that it's best not to rely on
them without an explicit statement.
Could you describe these special cases?
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I strongly oppose to such an expulsion.
So do I.
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libel?
...what's stopping us from officially discouraging Ubuntu's existence?
The fact that most of us are interested in cooperation or at least peaceful
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Aren't we in a similar situation with other stuff that is in main
already? rsync springs to mind.
Don't forget the Linux kernel.
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to be present in the corresponding Debian package. If
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I am pleased when downstream distributions notify me that they are using
my packages.
mdz writes:
Have you ever received such a notification?
Yes.
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I don't either. After all, most users don't file bug reports, and Ubuntu
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it.
BTW the US is not the only country with such laws.
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I don't see why we need to concern ourselves about it, though. Intel has
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Surely flaming people on mailing lists as a way to get things done is not
something people want to encourage in NMs... right?
Right. After all, as we all know, no DD would ever do such a thing.
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So, most of the DD's do not care about security at all.
I think that DD's do not use dpkg-sig and debsigs because they believe them
to be hard to use and not supported by the infrastructure or by policy.
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Security is more than package signatures.
What is your specific proposal?
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I wrote:
I think that DD's do not use dpkg-sig and debsigs because they believe
them to be hard to use and not supported by the infrastructure or by
policy.
Marc Haber writes:
dpkg-sig is harly hard to use.
Please re-read what I wrote.
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Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt writes:
I'd like to know if anyone cares about using these binary signatures
I do.
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Hash: SHA1
Format: 1.7
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:32:28 -0600
Source: chrony
Binary: chrony
Architecture: source i386
Version: 1.21-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED
intent as well as deprivation of property.
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? Would you be willing to check
the CD for other GPL software and notify the authors if you find any?
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but that is not required.
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Erast Benson writes:
This should help FreeBSD ... non-glibc ports to suvirve.
In what way does the GPL licensing of dpkg harm such FreeBSD ports?
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is not compatible with the GPL. It
is.
If not, I doubt Nexenta OS will ever be part of Debian community and will
continue its way more like Ubunutu. Think about it.
I'd say that sounds like a threat, but what would it be a threat of?
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they
intended it to do.
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, unless that component
itself accompanies the executable.^
^
So you are distributing the CDDL components seperately?
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Simon Josefsson writes:
Is that license acceptable to the Debian community?
Looks fine to me. Is it going to be retroactive?
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Gustavo Franco writes:
I think that popcon is a bit underrated in the project.
Does the installer mention popcon?
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Florian Weimer writes:
IOW, preserve the copyright statement, but not the entire notice.
What's wrong with preserving the entire notice?
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It was never even required in the US. There once was some sort of a
pan-American copyright treaty and the phrase was required by some member
countries.
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specified or
not.
If the addition of localhost.localdomain caused you a problem we need to
know exactly what it was so that we can fix it.
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that localhost had been deleted and
replaced by localhost.localdomain.
Now, that is interesting. Which problems? I honestly don't know of any.
Read the discussion in the bug report. I think localhost.localdomain is
ugly, but adding it seems much more feasible than fixing all the broken
software.
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with or without periods for uniqueness is both
broken and unnecessary.
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Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
IMHO is too much to inhibit the use of the program as a whole just to
minimize the collision risk, a warning would have been enough.
Particularly considering that there are better ways to assure the
uniqueness of message-ids anyway.
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