* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [2015-08-13 06:16]:
(...)
Of course, I'm also someone who thinks we should
ignore the conflict between the OpenSSL license and the GPL on the grounds
that it's so widely ignored as to come close to estoppel, and
realistically no one is going to sue.
There
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2015-05-11 05:55]:
On May 08, Martin Pitt mp...@debian.org wrote:
I propose to retire [mac], i. e. drop
/lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules and enable
[ifnames] by default.
I see a large enough consensus about switching by default to
* Martinx - ジェームズ thiagocmarti...@gmail.com [2015-02-04 20:37]:
I was facing a Linux BUG that was fixed only in 3.18.
Here it is:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/1362755
So, with Linux 3.16, it will not be possible to use Jessie to create a
VLAN tagged Virtual Network within
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* Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org [2014-09-11 09:15]:
Not everyone uses init scripts. There is e.g. also a plugin for
network-manager, in which case it will just work.
Last time I used n-m for OpenVPN it could only launch one VPN, not
multiple ones. Has that changed? Tough it seems systemd
* Balint Reczey bal...@balintreczey.hu [2014-04-15 12:01]:
(...)
My proposal for serving those security-focused users is introducing a
new architecture targeting amd64 hardware, but with more security
related C/C++ features turned on for every package (currently hardening
has to be enabled
* Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.pro [2014-03-30 11:04]:
I'd like to propose that Jitsi be considered as the default messaging,
VoIP and webcam client for the next major Debian release (jessie).
This would mean it is installed by default in a desktop install and it
is the default handler for
* Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi [2013-10-25 18:27]:
Steve Langasek has been consistently posting dishonest FUD against
systemd. Maybe you could explain that as excessive zeal following from
valid technical considerations, but I'd consider that an excessively
charitable interpretation
* Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi [2013-10-25 10:01]:
(...)
I know how to make the choice. I don't fucking want to. Unless I'm
needing to do a customised install for particular needs, I want Debian
to provide me with defaults that just work. I don't care if the
default choices are the ones I
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* Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org [2013-05-23 15:39]:
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 09:22:22PM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually it's just a response to the ongoing insulting by joss to
variouse participants on mailinglists. As usual he has a way of mailing
that i find disgusting.
I don't
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2013-05-22 15:03]:
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 08:16 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
- there are 300+ upstart job files ready to be imported from Ubuntu
When you compare the time it takes to write an upstart job file or a
systemd unit file, to the time it
* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de [2013-05-22 20:57]:
On 05/22/2013 07:50 PM, Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually it sounds like you propose to stop developing and take
everything from Redhat, Lennart, Gnome because it's there and they say
so.
And another one. Why
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2013-05-22 20:45]:
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 19:50 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
Seems to me that luckily not everybody agrees with that approach (CTTE
#681834, CTTE #688772)...
Fortunately the CTTE failed to expose me before you did, since
* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de [2013-03-28 12:08]:
On 03/28/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay
for their laptop repair if this issue causes damage?
Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO
* Shawn shawnland...@gmail.com [2013-02-05 18:43]:
socket-activation in systemd _helps_ security in that you can give an
unprivlidged process a listening port under 1024. (using a privileged
configuration file)
Privileged vs. unprivileged port is not really a secuitry improvement.
Yours
* Andrew Shadura bugzi...@tut.by [2013-01-07 09:15]:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:42:40 +0100
Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
My suggestion would be to, over the jessie cycle, deprecate (but still
read) /etc/network/interfaces and for jessie+1 just drop the file and
only use the .d
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2012-09-03 18:13]:
On Sep 03, Serge sergem...@gmail.com wrote:
* ability to easily edit content of root partition and put some additional
software to mount /usr
Can you show some actual real life examples?
(much easier than making changes to initramfs)
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2012-08-11 11:30]:
We are not dismissing any other alternative, upstart still looks like
an option.
We are dismissing just openrc because its incremental benefits are
trivial.
You don't speak on behalf of the debian project so please refrein from
using we -
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-08-10 13:27]:
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 11:56 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
That we do no longer have glibc in the archive and we had a transition
to eglibc was an understandable maintainer decision.
glibc/eglibc is not comparable to the other
* Jens Link jensl...@quux.de [2012-08-13 15:24]:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jens Link jensl...@quux.de
* Package name: check_v46
Version :
Upstream Author : Ville Mattila
* URL : http://gitorious.org/nagios-monitoring-tools
* License :
* Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org [2012-08-13 15:42]:
* Jens Link jensl...@quux.de [2012-08-13 15:24]:
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jens Link jensl...@quux.de
* Package name: check_v46
Version :
Upstream Author : Ville Mattila
* URL
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-08-10 01:06]:
Le jeudi 09 août 2012 à 23:53 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a
écrit :
What about Debian kFreeBSD and Hurd? AFAIK systemd needs a linux kernel to
work.
Please explain again why we should cripple the Linux port for the sake
of
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-08-09 23:15]:
And no, choice between multiple broken implementation is NOT added
value. Linux is not about choice.
Luckily that is not everyones opinion.
Martin
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* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-08-10 10:12]:
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 09:23 +0200, Martin Wuertele a écrit :
Please explain why adding another sysv-rc drop-in replacements cripples
the Linux port.
Because being able to choose between alternatives for core features
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2012-08-10 11:27]:
On Aug 10, Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org wrote:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
And that really explains why there is a choice for core functions like
kernel event handler: udevd, hotplug2, mdev
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2012-08-09 16:12]:
Please do not bother.
openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and systemd.
It was a very long discussion that did not end in a major consensus the
way I
* Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com [2012-05-01 23:07]:
On 27/04/12 19:33, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Martin Wuertele
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-04-27 09:53]:
Le jeudi 26 avril 2012 à 22:29 +0200, Svante Signell a écrit :
Yes of course, because event-driven
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2012-04-27 09:53]:
Le jeudi 26 avril 2012 à 22:29 +0200, Svante Signell a écrit :
Yes of course, because event-driven init systems have *always* been
*only* about mounting USB devices.
Then explain the _real_ reasons for having an event driven
* Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi [2012-03-23 19:44]:
IMO your upstart advocacy and anti-systemd FUD crosses the line between
having your own opinions and having your own facts.
Could you please mind your words. Your style of discussion is very
hostile!
There was neither FUD nor advocacy
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2012-03-21 09:34]:
On Mar 21, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
Non-experts are not able to solve any problem, so this is
* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2012-03-15 14:11]:
On Mar 15, Stephan Seitz stse+deb...@fsing.rootsland.net wrote:
Okay, I am not a DD,
This pretty much explains why you are not qualified to partecipate to
this discussion.
Let me quote section 4 first sentence of the social contract: We
* Paul Wise p...@debian.org [2011-11-29 03:33]:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
- Custom patch commands, as already discussed. Yes, we should get rid of
them, but that doesn't make it easy to convert them.
- Conditional application of patches. Some packages
* Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net [2011-11-29 10:04]:
(...)
- Conditional application of patches. Some packages have patches that
are
only applied on a per-architecture or per-target-distribution basis.
(...)
All of these can be dealt with by rewriting the patch so that it
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2011-11-16 18:23]:
Reality check: it is not a question of number of users, but a question
of which package has the most stubborn maintainer…
You mean like those of a well known desktop environment wrt nm?
/me puts the mirror down
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* Roland Mas lola...@debian.org [2011-10-18 18:46]:
I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
but eh.
$ LANG=C aptitude why network-manager
i gnome-coreDepends network-manager-gnome (= 0.8.999)
i A network-manager-gnome Depends network-manager (=
* Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu [2011-08-05 12:39]:
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:20:03PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
And you are of course sure that everybody using reportbug knows there
address
will be published? We have several complaints a month about the problem.
Please stick to
* Thibaut Paumard paum...@users.sourceforge.net [2011-08-04 07:43]:
I don't agree. When I install Debian on a laptop or workstation, I only
want what I need, and most of the time I don't want a SSH or FTP server.
But the day I need it, I install it and I want to use it right away to
connect
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* Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2011-07-19 21:39]:
So far we have one person who likes pf and one who suspects that maybe
FreeBSD could behave better when severely overloaded.
So if trolling is on add another one: it doesn't have udev
Kthxgoodby
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* Clint Adams cl...@debian.org [2011-05-20 16:52]:
Is it supposed to work with swap on an LVM volume on top of dm-crypt?
This only works for me with uswsusp.
Works for me since Lenny.
yours Martin
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* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [2011-05-03 01:20]:
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net writes:
[ Note that my position is based on the assumption that we have a share
of DDs interested in rolling similar to the share of DDs interested in
stable releases. Unfortunately, it's very
* Cristian Henzel cri...@b3r3.info [2011-05-03 08:12]:
I'm a bit new to Debian but just wanted to add my $0.02 to this discussion,
since it's something that I personally find very interesting.
Firstly, I think the question should be, which users would be targeted by a
rolling release? I don't
* Cristian Henzel cri...@b3r3.info [2011-05-03 10:51]:
Er, no. Those of us using Debian in corporate environments desire high
stability, long-term support and defined, not to short, periods between
releases. The 2 years with the security support for currently about 4
years from the
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net [2011-05-02 11:32]:
How much of that would apply if we renamed testing to rolling (because
it reinforces the PR message), but kept a symlink from testing to
rolling?
If you want that you need a GR as it overrides a delegate decision.
And I predict
* Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org [2011-05-02 18:23]:
Not that I don't understand your asking for reasons but... doesn't look
having a large user base look somehow appealing to you? I think many DDs
care for such since working on Debian brings more fun if someone's
actually using it.
Why do
* Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org [2011-05-02 18:31]:
On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 06:27:02PM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
* Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org [2011-05-02 18:23]:
Not that I don't understand your asking for reasons but... doesn't look
having a large user base look somehow
* Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org [2011-05-01 15:40]:
On Sun, 01 May 2011, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110501 08:41]:
Fixing RC bugs in testing and getting new upstream versions that are
ready in testing is not a burden for developers, it's what we're
* Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi [2011-04-15 14:18]:
ip rule show | grep -Ev '^(0|32766|32767):|iif lo' \
| while read PRIO NATRULE; do
ip rule del prio ${PRIO%%:*} $( echo $NATRULE | sed 's|all|0/0|' )
done
iface ethX inet static
address x.x.x.x
netmask
* Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de [2011-04-05 15:04]:
On 04/04/2011 01:15 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
most of the work is done by our upstreams, and by simply telling
them we'll freeze PICK_YOUR_MONTH every even/odd year will (in the long
term) improve quality of Debian *a lot* more than
* Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk [2011-04-03 20:56]:
The kernel necessarily holds the working network configuration, though
it lacks e.g. credentials for WPA or 802.1x which are handled by
user-space. User-space can change that state, and can read the state
(including waiting for
* Asias He asias.he...@gmail.com [2011-03-31 03:03]:
* URL : http://code.google.com/lcrt
That gives a 404.
Yours,
Martin
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* Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com [2011-03-31 08:40]:
apt-cache show putty
Gets the job done but is far from nice compared to SecureCRT. And the
seperation between putty, plink and pscp is for some a feature and for
some a pita, therefore an additional choice is definitely a plus.
* Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com [2011-02-17 13:51]:
Default homedir permissions are 755. World-readable (and listable).
Common (security) sense says that permissions that are not required
should not be granted. For example, accounts mysql and www-data should
not have access to my
* Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com [2011-02-17 13:56]:
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org wrote:
IIRC you are asked during installation if you want world readable home
directories or not.
No you're not. Unless (I assume) you do an expert install. Even
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* Luca Niccoli lultimou...@gmail.com [2010-05-30 14:31]:
I see a potential problem with this policy:
say I write a DFSG-compliant media player, and I want to add the
ability to download songs from Amazon; I then depend on clamz.
But clamz is in contrib, so my media player must go into
* Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de [2010-02-26 11:19]:
KVM is shaping up well and appears to be very well supported by Red Hat.
But still slower and less secure due to qemu.
Can you back that statement with numbers? My subjective impression is
that kvm with libvirt is not slower than
* John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org [2010-02-27 17:09]:
How does libvirt impact performance?
Guess I cunfused libvirt with virtio.
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* Joey Hess jo...@debian.org [2010-01-10 23:23]:
This is not the case in Debian 5.0. Nor was it the case with Debian 4.0.
Debian 3.1 (2005) was the last one to do that.
Interesting. Tasksel on my Squeeze box still does that.
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Your questions are better asked on debian-u...@lists.debian.org - thus
CCing.
* Andrzej Borucki borucki_andr...@wp.pl [2010-01-10 19:58]:
I am beginner in Linux. I install Debian 5.0.3 Lenny. I have several
warnings:
- in install I can't choose Gnome or Kde
Graphical desktop
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* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [2009-06-02 10:53]:
Le lundi 01 juin 2009 à 16:26 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit :
What has the initramfs got to do with this?
For / to be on LVM you need an initramfs. / on raid (with custom
kernel) or plain partition works without one.
I
* Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl [2009-04-07 02:54]:
Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually lilo is installed by lenny d-i if you use root-sw-raid with
LVM, even if your /boot is an differen partition/sw-raid. Therefore lilo
should at least remain for sqeeze to ensure a proper upgrade path.
I'm
* William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org [2009-04-06 17:48]:
chainloader will work with lilo, but lilo is only kept around for the
people who are crazy and booting off LVMs as it is.
Booting off LVMs is supported directly by grub2 and ext2linux could
probably be modified to support it in a
* kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz [2009-02-09 21:12]:
This means my thoughts were correct, because Aptittude mantainers are
trying to implement it. (as I request) This answer I found satisfies
me.
They don't implement it on your request.
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* Romain Beauxis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-12-03 15:51]:
I, too, believe the copyright check is the core of the role of the NEW queue.
Quality checks could be done later and this would ease the whole process
while
keeping a focus where it is important.
I completely disagree. It's a welcome
* Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-12-02 23:10]:
As there is no security support for backports I do not feel comfortable
adding this (the changes to the website were made by me and the article
for DPN was submitted by me).
How come you think so?
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* Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-08-01 15:36]:
I was just doing a pbuider --update, it surprisingly failed due to a mismatch
MD5 sum in dpkg.
From the Release file:
MD5sum: 7f4c3b629592a0ab17c924eff9795c4c
SHA1: 40841d015920902a9b0051f1a4296113cc474490
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Hi!
Since I hardly use it myself and I currently have less time for debian
due to job change duplicity is up for adoption.
I have some patches that need a bit of adjustment closing most of the
open bugs but I currently lack the time to throw them all matching
togeather.
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* Warren Turkal [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-12 17:44]:
On Monday 12 March 2007 10:08, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Is there any real need for such a tool in Debian?
It's not an administrative tool and it's obviously not meant for security
tests. I just can't see what the normal use of this tool
* Christian Aichinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-29 11:34]:
If you have any questions about setting up the beast, don't hasitate
to mail me, though. Perhaps I'll even find some time to revive
rerun.lefant.net/checklib
And we will get one of the LH machines to run checklib again via cron.
The
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* Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-17 13:17]:
Will b.d.o accept those headers in the first lines of a mail body?
E.g. reportbug and kmail do not really work together (one of them must get
smarter) and I didn't find a way to add custom headers for the _current_ mail
only in kmail,
* Klaus Ethgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-08 10:09]:
is it really necessary to start flames in this list? Kevin Mark did
answer completely objective.
He didn't answer the question in case you haven't noted.
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Hi!
I uploaded nozomi-source 2.1-2 to unstable with mikas patch closing
#390427 and 2.21alpha-060917 to experimental. Please test if the
packages work with your adapter and report errors. I hope to have at
least 2.1-2 in etch but if 2.21alhpa works better for you and RMs agree
it might be better
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* Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-10-07 00:42]:
(...)
As per policy, I am raising a balloon about ths issue; I think
if we ship vacation, finger, and sharutils, we can also ship
mandatory acess controls in the standard distribution :)
As shipped, the Debian
* gerhard oettl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-22 06:59]:
Since updating to etch some weeks ago i was not able to print
from firefox, because always letter format is requested on the
printer panel. This happens independend of the input in the
printer property fields in the printing dialog if
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-16 20:20]:
etch requires a 2.6 kernel too.
No. Debian won't provide a 2.4 kernel for etch but it works fine with
self built ones.
yours Martin
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* Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-16 19:42]:
It has been pointed out to me in http://bugs.debian.org/387699
that syvinit is going to move /var/run to a tmpfs to solve a long-standing
issue, having some place to store state information before partitions
are checked and mounted. (I
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* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-07 15:11]:
On Sep 07, Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For some time now, the runtime dependencies of init.d scripts have
been documented in the scripts, using the LSB convention. Now, enough
scripts have this information present to
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-07 17:11]:
On Sep 07, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 03:11:02PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
Now, try thinking about how many of the blocks which are not listed
as depending on udev actually do.
None, because
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* Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:05]:
To make the picture more complete, not only desktop needs current
software. The Debian on server lacks sometimes too.
Few examples: PHP5, bunch of Clamav-related packages for proxy and mail
interaction, Squid3. They're in Etch,
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:35]:
You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many
different packages more recent than a couple of years.
That's when backports and chroots comes in.
yours Martin
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