On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote:
Hi,
On 16.04.2012 18:56, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
/srv is solely the domain of the sysadmin, packages cannot rely on any
particular layout not specified
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote:
On 16.04.2012 18:59, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Defining a standard for vhosts would solve the problem without having
to touch the normal doc root. Seems like a far simpler fix.
how would you do that? We can't control or enforce
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
/srv is solely the domain of the sysadmin, packages cannot rely on any
particular layout not specified by the sysadmin (via debconf etc).
I know. Is that a problem though?
AFAIK packages don't (and shouldn't) put any files into
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote:
I'd use ht instead of html. Not every ht file is a html file.
I have no strong opinion on the actual name, as long as it is another
subdirectory. We could equally use /var/www/default, /var/www/htdocs or
whatever we feel like.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Arno Töll a...@debian.org wrote:
Thus, to summarize once again: I'd like to change the default directory
served by web servers from /var/www to /var/www/html along with
remaining web servers in Debian.
Comments?
I'd use ht instead of html. Not every ht file
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
I'd use ht instead of html. Not every ht file is a html file.
We should consider vhosts as well. Lighttpd defaults to
/srv/host/htdocs (for mod simple vhost). ht instead of htdocs might
be better.
We could use
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:43 PM, John H. Robinson, IV jaq...@debian.org wrote:
Compatible with what? Bugs in other implementations?
What does that really gain us?
The ability for the discs to be read on as many systems as possible. I'm
not going to pretend to know what all someone else may
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, John H. Robinson, IV jaq...@debian.org wrote:
That's not our problem, is it?
It is, if we are trying to be as compatible as possible.
Compatible with what? Bugs in other implementations?
What does that really gain us?
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 11:54:05AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
At present there *is* no reliable sysadmin interface for enabling/disabling
services. update-rc.d is not it; many admins have been using 'update-rc.d
-f
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote:
users. The problem is that Joliet has a limit for filename length (64
characters), and technically we're already past that length. From
genisoimage.1:
64 is quite low. Is there no way to use longer filenames that still
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote:
64 is quite low. Is there no way to use longer filenames that still
works on all required platforms?
To do that, we'll have to switch to a different filesystem. That's a
possibility (maybe UDF), but there's probably even
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote:
Why's that? Isn't UDF widely supported?
Implementations often widely differ in their limitations - see the
Wikipedia page for more details. The suggested way to make a safe UDF
DVD is often along the lines of use the
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Simon McVittie s...@debian.org wrote:
The data package typically just takes up space without doing anything
useful if you install it on its own, so it should have the
special::auto-inst-parts debtag and should usually Recommend the library or
executable.
I
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org wrote:
| In particular, considering the possibility of other init systems coming
| (see #591791), would /usr/sbin/service enable/disable still be a proper,
| init-system-independent, abstraction?
I'm guessing service would
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org wrote:
Like say: In 10+ years I have never ever seen a single rar file
unrar-free could unpack but thousands that needed unrar/rar.
If that was true then unrar-free should be dropped and everything
depending on it be removed,
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
Then don't use the option. It should definetly be an option:
It's a pity that there is no kernel support for synching one filesystem (or
maybe a few filesystems).
That'd be only a partial work around. Even with a
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote:
On 03/15/2011 04:17 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Indeed, I don't know why we bother with packages at all.
Thanks for your constructive comment.
He's right though. With packages, you can receive automatic
notification of
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 09:17 +0100, Sebastian Harl wrote:
[...]
Would it be fine to do that in postinst?
It must be done in postinst, and you may need to fall back to setuid if
the filesystem does not support
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
Or is it actually so that the libc should map uses of epoll_create1 to
epoll_create? Or do we need to introduce run-time checks as to whether
epoll_create1 is available?
There's no way around run-time checks if you
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Joachim Breitner nome...@debian.org wrote:
I have a bit a bad feeling about not being able to use alternatives in
build-depends. For example at the moment, we are renaming a self-hosting
compiler package from ghc6 to ghc. Previously, the dependency has been
on
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote:
Right, this is the technical problem to solve: find one (handy) method
to enable/disable services and bless it as the recommended one.
What do other distros use?
It seems to be chkconfig, not service (for this
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
You could stop being lazy and type the dot on the end too. ;-)
You can't expect everyone to type a dot after every single domain name they use.
Olaf
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Klaus Ethgen kl...@ethgen.de wrote:
In ancient times debian was packaged the way that the administrator only
installed the daemons that he needed. Today many daemons gets installed
by dependencies and gets started without any need. Just the fact is
security
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote:
And in the big picture, all we need is some guarantee that renames are
comitted in order, and after the content of the file that is being
renamed. I have the impression that all reasonable filesystems give
that
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
- install daemon
- install configuration using puppet/chef/cfengine/etc
- start daemon or hook daemon into tool that keeps it running (monit,
god, etc)
Can't you either install the config before installing the daemon or
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi wrote:
On to, 2011-03-03 at 12:47 +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
some package announce their existance to the world without any admin
decision!
It is not a fud and a security hole!
That's a vague generality... which packages? You
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Phillip Susi ps...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
And we use some linux specific ioctl to avoid that fragmentation.
Could you be more specific?
sync_file_range(fd.a, 0, 0, SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE);
sync_file_range(fd.a, 0, 0, SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WAIT_BEFORE);
Olaf
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2011/3/1 ximalaya im...@126.com:
I notice that, valgrind reports memory leaks against some frequently used
commands on Debian 6.0, 5.0.7 and 4.0. These commands include netstat, ps
-ef, ls -latr, top, etc.
For short-running processes that's generally not a problem.
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On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
Isn't update-rc.d the way to configure the rc.d scripts?
No, it's a way for *maintainer scripts* to manage init scripts.
Or am I old-fashioned.
You are using an interface that was never meant for administrator use.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:26:23PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
Isn't update-rc.d the way to configure the rc.d scripts?
No, it's a way
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Sean Finney sean...@debian.org wrote:
well, for starters the interface sucks from a sysadmin point of view
compared to stuff like chkconfig/service. i also think that there's (a
perhaps shrunken, haven't checked in a while) set of things that you
just can't do
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Olaf van der Spek
olafvds...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Stephen Gran sg...@debian.org wrote:
I don't want to prolong this thread, but this seemed useful to answer.
I certainly have no intention of changing the default on my own.
Could
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Fernando Lemos fernando...@gmail.com wrote:
Those are valid points, of course, but many Boost projects will fail
to build now and I see no good solution[1][2][3]. Some libraries like
I do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-linking
First has to be implemented in
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org wrote:
Unfortunately (from your perspective) there is not a way to configure a
default library search path differently for binaries in different
places. So if you want /usr/local/bin binaries to see /usr/local/lib
by default
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
h...@debian.org wrote:
But there is an ordering choice. local has priority.
By default, we assume the local administrator knows what he is doing.
That is not going to change.
Sure. But Sergey has a good point: why are there no bin
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Peter Palfrader wea...@debian.org wrote:
We should probably start a campaign in Debian to have all init scripts
sanitize the environment of daemons they start.
I usually run initscripts using env -i /etc/init.d/$foo start to
achieve exactly that, but ideally
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Marc Haber
mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 01:44:26PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
Perhaps it might be reasonable to try to find a way for accounts like
msql and www-data not to be able to access home directories (add
daemon to their
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Stephen Gran sg...@debian.org wrote:
I don't want to prolong this thread, but this seemed useful to answer.
I certainly have no intention of changing the default on my own.
Could you at least fix the original bug and ensure preseeding works?
Olaf
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On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
We could even do the opposite (create a public folder) if the
permissions are 0750, though this would require either 0751 or
ACLs to be actually accessible. Again, we could include a README file
instructing the user how
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Noel David Torres Taño
env...@rolamasao.org wrote:
On Jueves 17 Febrero 2011 22:18:25 Ron Johnson escribió:
On 02/17/2011 08:58 AM, Roger Leigh wrote:
[snip]
Should it be locked down like Fort Knox?
There's a heck of a lot of middle ground between Fort Knox
Hi,
Default homedir permissions are 755. World-readable (and listable).
Common (security) sense says that permissions that are not required
should not be granted. For example, accounts mysql and www-data should
not have access to my documents.
Some time ago I filed a bug related to this: 398793
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org wrote:
IIRC you are asked during installation if you want world readable home
directories or not.
No you're not. Unless (I assume) you do an expert install. Even then,
non-world-readble means 751, not 750. The default should still
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Olaf van der Spek writes (Default Homedir Permissions):
Default homedir permissions are 755. World-readable (and listable).
Common (security) sense says that permissions that are not required
should
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Olaf van der Spek writes (Re: Default Homedir Permissions):
chmod 755 ~ is not a hard way to remove the barrier.
We are arguing about defaults, so this is not a relevant answer.
In both cases it's easy
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
In general, I think it's fair to say that the average Debian
installation does not require Fort Knox levels of security. Simply
allowing other people to read our files is often something desirable;
Does other refer to
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 04:07:12PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
In general, I think it's fair to say that the average Debian
installation does
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Mark Hymers m...@debian.org wrote:
Could we choose to document that it can only be used in wheezy (enforced
by dak if necessary) and above and then have the release notes state
that users must upgrade dpkg and apt to the latest point release before
doing the
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
]] Petter Reinholdtsen
| I believe we need to come up with a way where most or all package
| maintainers (perhaps those handling kernel events and early boot stuff
| should be expected) only need to maintain one boot setup
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
• adding build conflicts to ensure it will build on any arbitrary
system with a random selection of installed packages will always be
on a best effort basis:
Is this about automatically picking up optional dependencies
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin w...@wrar.name wrote:
128MB would work reasonably.
I think that VPS'es with 128Mb RAM are still sold, not to mention existing
installations.
May enable it on x64 first (those 128 mb VPSs are unlikely to run x64)
and then see about other archs
: 1.4.28-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian lighttpd maintainers
pkg-lighttpd-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com
Description:
lighttpd - A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint
lighttpd-doc - Documentation for lighttpd
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Stanislav Maslovski
stanislav.maslov...@gmail.com wrote:
This is possible, however, it is an extra busy work for a user. In any
case, I think that holding a lock only for downloading is an overkill
and this can be relaxed.
What if you would launch two
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Fernando Lemos fernando...@gmail.com wrote:
This is possible, however, it is an extra busy work for a user. In any
case, I think that holding a lock only for downloading is an overkill
and this can be relaxed.
As far as I can tell (and please correct me if I'm
2011/2/1 Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net:
So, may I propose (if not already done) a document that outlines with enough
detail what Debian maintenance policy is and why from an upstream point of
view, and then allow for within Stable upgrades for software that has
demonstrated to
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 07:37:02AM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Is there a way to log cases where (potentially) unsafe writes happen?
Cases like truncation of an existing file, rename on a target that's
not yet synced, etc
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 06:14:42PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Hendrik Sattler
p...@hendrik-sattler.de wrote:
BTW: KDE4 is a very good example for failure with modern filesystems. I
regularly
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
typedef struct {
int fd;
char buffer[PATH_MAX];
} safe_t;
Except, you can't rely on PATH_MAX on any modern system. It's defined in
Linux headers to an arbitrary value to make old code compile, but
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Goswin von Brederlow
goswin-...@web.de wrote:
I think you are dead wrong there Ian. Even if every single program is
dead right (and we know a lot aren't) that means every one of them has
a safe file update function somewhere in it.
A function doing exactly
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de wrote:
typedef struct {
int fd;
char buffer[];
} safe_t;
or what do you mean by invalid C?
Zero length arrays are not valid C AFAIK.
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On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Hendrik Sattler
p...@hendrik-sattler.de wrote:
BTW: KDE4 is a very good example for failure with modern filesystems. I
regularly loose configuration files when suspend-to-ram fails even if the
configuration of the running programs were not changed. Yay :-( And
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Hendrik Sattler
p...@hendrik-sattler.de wrote:
Zitat von Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Hendrik Sattler
p...@hendrik-sattler.de wrote:
BTW: KDE4 is a very good example for failure with modern filesystems. I
regularly
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Olaf van der Spek writes (Re: packages with hook interfaces and no
documented hook policy):
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Michael Vogt m...@debian.org wrote:
If you have better suggestions how to solve
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Michael Vogt m...@debian.org wrote:
If you have better suggestions how to solve this problem, I'm happy to
hear (and implement) them. Until then I would recomment that you run
the upgrade manually so that you have control over when exactly it
happens.
An
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org wrote:
Then, maybe explicitly request upstream - at appropriate forums and in
appropriate polite wording - to help debian team(s) to handle the bug
report stream?
I think upstream has the same problem in some cases: too
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote:
On 18.01.2011 06:08, Joey Hess wrote:
Michael Biebl wrote:
Also; You said, the hook breaks suspend/hibernate. I don't agree this is the
case. If there is no upgrade running, the hook will exit immediately.
If there is an
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
On Sat January 15 2011 16:33:28 Olaf van der Spek wrote:
If insserv meses up so bad, shouldn't it be able to detect that things
will go wrong too?
insserv completely discards the Snn/Knn values and generates a new
boot
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
It's the responsibility of packages to clean up obsolete conffiles as
they're upgraded. If you run into the case of a package that's been
upgraded and not cleaned up its obsolete conffiles, and there isn't some
reason for
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Stéphane Glondu glo...@debian.org wrote:
Le 15/01/2011 01:05, Roger Leigh a écrit :
This is mostly due to removed packages which need fully purging to
remove the last traces of old init scripts which break the process.
I've already experienced issues with
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Mike Bird mgb-deb...@yosemite.net wrote:
I have looked at the release notes, what little documentation there
is, and much but not all of the source code.
It would certainly help if a warning were included in the release
notes but the most critical fix is to
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
alexan...@schmehl.info wrote:
Hi!
Am 13.01.2011 11:54, schrieb Olaf van der Spek:
Now we just need to define what a proper job is.
Instead of stepping down, it might be better to ask for a co-maintainer.
You mean like this http
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk wrote:
On 2011-01-13, Felipe Sateler fsate...@debian.org wrote:
We can't demand or require anyone to do anything. Yet we expect
I think this is mostly wrong.
We can demand or require people to step down. And we should if we
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Remember: there is no shortage of bug reports.
That's unfortunately true. Why is it that bug squashing parties only
happen a short time before release while it appears that the rest of
the time the issue is
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 02:03:07PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Remember: there is no shortage of bug reports.
That's unfortunately true. Why is it that bug squashing parties only
happen a short time before release
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk wrote:
Will this mean that the problem will somehow disappear from Debian? Because
if it's a problem detected within Debian it's my feeling that it will have to
be tracked within Debian till the problem is in Debian no more.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
But in this case I don't think we should be expecting maintainers to
necessarily shepherd bug reports upstream. I don't think a maintainer
who fails to do so is failing in their job as maintainer.
The
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de wrote:
No. Apache unloads and reloads modules on a graceful restart, unless a
modules takes special measures to prevent that. You can check that
with lsof or checkrestart. But libapache2-mod-php5's behaviour is not
optimal for
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
* Olaf van der Spek olafvds...@gmail.com schrieb:
A transaction to update multiple files in one atomic go?
Yes. The application first starts an transaction, creates/writes/
removes a bunch of files and then sends a commit
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Stefan Fritsch s...@sfritsch.de wrote:
Shouldn't libapache2-mod-php5 be deprecated in favor of PHP via
FastCGI anyway? Would avoid this and other issues.
mod_php won't go away quickly.
Why not?
But having an out-of-the box usable
php+fastcgi configuration in
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
I was thinking, doesn't ext have this kind of dependency tracking already?
It has to write the inode after writing the data, otherwise the inode
might point to garbage.
No, it doesn't. We use journaling, and forced data writeouts,
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 12:57:07AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
Ted Ts'o writes (Re: Safe File Update (atomic)):
Then I invite you to implement it, and start discovering all of the
corner cases for yourself. :-) As I predicted,
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
To come back to the original question, I'd like to know which concrete
realworld problems should be solved by that. One thing an database-like
transactional filesystem (w/ MVCC) would be nice is package managers:
we still
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
Well, that's the issue at hand. The reason I mentioned this is
because I believe that the / and /usr separation is a case where we
should stop to consider the bigger picture rather than just the
immediate problem. Solving
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 01:05:03AM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Why is it that you ignore all my responses to technical questions you asked?
In general, because they are either (a) not well-formed, or (b) you
are asking me
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
You're right. Is there a project goal for this yet?
No, that's one of the reasons I've brought it up.
Practically speaking, this can be done fairly easily. There's no
need to ban having a separate /usr at all. Having
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net wrote:
I doubt it. The symlink doesn't work right now due to the same file
being present on both paths, causing one to be overwritten. Once that
issue is solved, it should not impact upon keeping /usr separate. As
long as a
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:55:22PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
If you give me a specific approach, I can tell you why it won't work,
or why it won't be accepted by the kernel maintainers (for example,
because it involves
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
Ah. So performance isn't the problem, it's just hard too implement.
Would've been a lot faster if you said that earlier.
Too hard to implement doesn't go far enough. It's also a matter of
near impossibility to add new features
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
]] Roger Leigh
| On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 10:33:21PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
| I've never used pkgconfig. But if it doesn't support it, it too should be
fixed.
First, it's pkg-config, and secondly
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
| Eh, wouldn't this case be a valid use case?
No, there's no reason for the .so to live in /lib rather than /usr/lib.
What about .so files needed before /usr is mounted?
Olaf
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
| What about .so files needed before /usr is mounted?
Do you have a non-contrived example of a .so file which is needed before
/usr is mounted and where there's a need for a static library?
Why the second part of that
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 04:55:52PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011, Stephen Grant Brown wrote:
I would like to install dpkg under Windows Vista.
This is almost certainly going to be an exercise
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
Maybe we're talking at cross-purposes here; I was speaking about the
case of turning a directory into a symlink on upgrades, which cannot
safely be done while there are still files under it.
Thinking more about it, this
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote:
Steve Langasek, le Tue 04 Jan 2011 09:34:45 -0800, a écrit :
I don't agree. dpkg doesn't need to care that /usr/lib/libm.so really
unpacks to /lib/libm.so due to /usr - / symlink,
dpkg doesn't care, but shlibdeps
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote:
Steve Langasek, le Tue 04 Jan 2011 09:34:45 -0800, a écrit :
I don't agree. dpkg doesn't need to care that /usr/lib/libm.so really
unpacks to /lib/libm.so due to /usr - / symlink,
dpkg doesn't care, but shlibdeps
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org wrote:
dpkg doesn't care, but shlibdeps does care, hurd-i386 has been bitten by
that enough to make us give up with /usr - /.
Why couldn't shlibdeps be fixed?
We kept fixing it, and at some point (where it became really
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Olaf van der Spek writes (Re: Source code):
Renaming open files works, so that should no longer be a problem.
They have to be able to be deleted.
Why?
Olaf
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 06:51:13PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
Maybe we're talking at cross-purposes here; I was speaking about the
case of turning
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Having said that, I don't think the concept behind your library is
sound, because it presupposes that all previous programs which update
files are buggy.
They are. Kinda. They either do unsafe file updates or
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:45 PM, brian m. carlson
sand...@crustytoothpaste.net wrote:
Because lots of programs expect something like
fd = open(/tmp/foo, O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL);
unlink(/tmp/foo);
write(fd, data, 4);
to succeed. This is how Unix filesystem semantics work and pretty much
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Ted Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote:
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 12:26:29PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
Given that the issue has come up before so often, I expected there to
be a FAQ about it.
Your asking the question over (and over... and over...) doesn't make
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