nce doing the
annoying thing you describe, but it didn't do it to me just now.
HTH
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P.S. I don't really give a damn about this issue, and am happy to use
DEP-14 in general, or follow the current state of a particular package.
If DEP-14 were to change radically, I'd be willing to switch to new
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Maintainer?
That ought to achieve the benefit you're looking for, without hiding
symptoms of future problems with other packages, and without
inconveniencing anyone that's using /var/tmp as scratch space.
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omewhat self-documenting.
If you're looking for examples, it seems that fd-find and binutils-avr
do something like this (although they seem to be linking into ../lib/
presumably for historical reasons).
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running.
Given that the only time most people get interested in versions is when
they've been presented with news of a (probably urgent) bug, we should
be trying to make that moment as unconfusing as possible.
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Michael Biebl writes:
> Am 19.08.22 um 10:35 schrieb Philip Hands:
>> Paul Wise writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 21:18 +0200, Gioele Barabucci wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anybody have objective objections against activating automatic
>>>>
ed like a decent reason to move it, but that was assuming that the
file would still end up being visible in the same place in the end.
If that were not the case then I think it would be more trouble than
it's worth.
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debootstrap being able to exclude paths during installs (#811269)
is also a good idea (as mentioned in the second thread Guillem
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or why they think the patch should be applied to the Debian
package, but I'm sure your description will help too.
Given that the patch references this thread, I'm sure it'll be found
whenever needed.
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ackage, but at
least this way it will not simply be forgotten on the mailing-list.
BTW you are welcome to create an account on salsa.debian.org if you wish
to contribute directly there.
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at you'll keep on using it
until it breaks your toe.
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enable only non-free-firmware without also enabling non-free.
Oh, and I've been a DD for over 25 years, have been a contributor to the
installer for quite a lot of that, so I'd hope that at some point during
that time I must have succeeded in doing the add-firmware dance, if only
for testing, but
_INVOCATION_ID in his email which means one could easily filter
> journal output for the last failed invocation using this
> $MONITOR_INVOCATION_ID.
> Luca, is this understanding correct?
> Afaics this would cover Paul's use case
Except for the "don't want any of the output to en
nsafe choice on both single-user and multi-user
> systems...)
I agree -- cases such as ~/public_html not working well with such a
umask are things that the user should notice and be easily able to
discover how to fix, if they so wish.
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uch better state will
be rather motivating.
If the maintainer happens to disagree with any of the changes, each is
in a separate commit, so would be very easily reverted, but every change
seemed like a worthwhile improvement to me.
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which is why I think
it's fine to do what you did, and I think you did a very good job of it.
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Scott Kitterman writes:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 6:24:56 PM EST Philip Hands wrote:
>> Scott Kitterman writes:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > Currently the only answer is join the FTP Team as a trainee when there
>> > is a call for volunteers. I totally ge
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effort
required to do initial checks on packages was spread out more, enabling
team members to concentrate on the more skilled bits of the process.
It might also act as a recruiting ground for people to get more heavily
involved in the FTP team.
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verything that hits NEW by default.
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to do
that is to extend debconf, and then use new features in tasksel.
I don't have anything like a design for how that should look in my head
though -- I guess interested parties should get together and come up
with a design _before_ we start trying to implement it :-)
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in place. I also expect
to have time to work on getting Blends into d-i after that.
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ity of the problem.
If anyone's got good ideas about how to gather this information, I'm
very happy to help with the effort to do so.
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mportant factor there is that there is no back-door
route by which we publish things from our mirrors prior to them going
through this registration dance.
Cheers, Phil.
P.S. depending upon what exactly you're trying to do with pre-NEW
packages, this may be part of the solution:
https://salsa.debian
e only bug reports you're going to get about this are either going to
be the useless "Something didn't work" bugs, that I doubt would ever get
tied to this cause, or the ones submitted by experienced, diligent, and
time-rich bug reporters (which is a rather rare combination).
net/
https://salsa.debian.org/salsa-ci-team/pipeline/
(there are bound to be more that I've forgotten)
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I can see that one could try a DoS of sorts by setting up the TXT record
to point at a tarpit, say, but that could be handled by setting short
timeouts, and giving up on the local server after some number of failures.
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n trying
to pretend that filling everyone's disks with shedloads of symlinks for
a while in-between now and then is a useful thing to do.
Cheers, Phil.
[1] unless of course there's a reason to use some sort of bind-mount or
other filesystem trickery that's invented in the interim to achieve
making that decision were
devoting their best efforts to doing what they hope will serve the
project well in the long run.
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes:
> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/21/07/05/2155212/open-source-audio-editor-audacity-has-become-spyware
There's a bug to track that issue: https://bugs.debian.org/990737
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lternative world where we stop doing good things because of people
like the RIAA seems much worse.
Cheers, Phil.
[1]
https://blog.hansenpartnership.com/lessons-from-the-gnome-patent-troll-incident/
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eing done.
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ange than the technology, and keeping the
paperwork in good working order may be a useful shield if some
capricious maniac ever managed to be in charge of things.
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s-nail | mailx:apcupsd[R]
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very
successful
/var/log/mail.info:Feb 6 14:51:14 rummy dma[164f55.5590629f1f60]: delivery
successful
/var/log/syslog:Feb 6 14:51:14 rummy dma[164f55.5590629f1f60]: delivery
successful
which you'll note is actually triplicating log messages by default.
HTH
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Daniel Leidert writes:
> Am Mittwoch, den 08.01.2020, 08:17 +0100 schrieb Philip Hands:
>
> [..]
>> How about modifying the shipped /etc/default/spamassassin to include a
>> comment explaining what's going on, and how to enable the timer instead?
>
> It seems I
eing duplicated across
multiple packages, and will then be left behind by future developments,
while not being easy enough to remove for them to ever go away.
If that can instead be dealt with by adding a useful comment in a file
that might well be the place that one would be looking when one
warned about the maintainer's
modified version, which should catch their attention. Everyone else
will get a handy hint about the new setup if they ever go to set CRON=1
in future.
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yable to do
with their time than contributing to that project.
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that's just bikeshedding
> really.
The salsa-ci.yml name has the distinct advantage that it is kind to our
downstreams, as it makes it obvious where that file is supposed to work.
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t for me to need to look that up just to make sure
I've not made a stupid typo.
I like the idea of adding the list of releases somewhere (probably under
/usr/share/doc though, and including dates for start and end of support
etc. perhaps)
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uess the bulk of users know exactly which number they're up to,
but a pretty vague about which codename goes with that.
Oh, and for me that also applies to speech -- if you say 10 to me,
there's no way I'll later remember 9, but if you say buster, I'm quite
likely to remember "two sylables, be
Philipp Kern writes:
> On 2019-06-25 09:31, Philip Hands wrote:
>>> Russ Allbery:
>>>> It sounds like a whole ton of work to get a useful amount of coverage
>>>> (not
>>>> to mention bothering upstreams with questionnaires that I suspect
&
Philip Hands writes:
> What is it going to cost us to get 'bison' rated PG? Why is this
> useful?
Erm, not 'PG' -- I meant whatever the "Anyone can watch this" label is.
Although, I guess one could perhaps argue PG for bison:
One could use it to build something that gen
such ratings as
a service to Debian users).
Asking Debian to do it seems like it's just asking for trouble -- what
happens when a child is traumatised by content that most people find
completely innocuous in a package we've not yet got round to rating?
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gine that a partial description of your workflow would be better than
none, and if anyone ever asks about the extra bits you could answer them
by adding missing details to the package and thus get closer to full
documentation without significant additional effort.
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sses over the fact that we are bound
by constraints that other distributions are not, such as giving a damn
about the license conditions we inflict on our downstreams, which I
suspect the lawyers you allude to are not being retained to contemplate.
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gh that none of
them have managed to lodge in your memory. (I cannot be bothered to
actually come up with a citation, because it's pretty clear that doing
so would make no difference).
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I guess that was supposed to be a joke, but sadly it reads like an ad
hominem attack (as did your opening sentence for that matter: the one
about Simon writing long emails, which I trimmed in an attempt to
accommodate your tiny attention span).
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Devuan wish to work constructively
within Debian, we should welcome them.
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Philip Hands writes:
> Paride Legovini writes:
>
>> Adam Borowski wrote on 14/09/2018:
>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:28:36PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>>>>> For example, in the Rust team, we have been discussing about packaging
>>>>> fd
es this sound reasonable?
It strikes me as rather presumptious to be trying to grab a new two
letter command at this point in the history of *nix (particularly when
it is already in use).
Personally, I'll never willingly install a binary named that, because it
seems very likely to tickle my dyslexia.
congratulating the
ftp-masters.
Cheers, Phil.
[1] https://github.com/andris9/mimelib
[2] of course, if hundreds of packages were whizzing through in under an
hour, that would not be visible by glancing at the NEW queue, so the
queue doesn't give a full picture.
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Gert Wollny <gw.foss...@gmail.com> writes:
> Am Freitag, den 02.03.2018, 17:49 +0100 schrieb Philip Hands:
>> Gert Wollny <gw.foss...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Am Freitag, den 02.03.2018, 14:01 +0100 schrieb Iustin Pop:
>> > >
>> > &g
opyright information),
Would you be so kind as to cite some examples of copyright information
that is there but not automatically extractable, just so that we can get
an idea of what you have in mind?
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shiny thing, but there is a cost to
using two issue tracking mechanisms when one would do, and for packages
where the maintainer is not actually using salsa, what then?
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eed for mirrors (since they're quite
likely to do that anyway for internal use, and so just need to provide
public access to those).
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agree, it is not maintainable source code, yes, but source code
> nonetheless.
The settled opinion of the FTP team (and the TC for that matter) is:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=839570#235
that for our purposes it is not source code.
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I sincerely hope that doing that would result a rather happier outcome
than your efforts to date seem to have achieved.
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l (testing),
rather than wasting your and our time with this intemperate drivel?
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Praveen, please don't do it again.
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nsfer authority for the guest data into lemonldap-ng's control,
and then have gitlab use lemonldap-ng as it's source of that data.
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sters is
> worshipped by the Squeezes (packages alien to the archive) and at the
> time of a "Win" a package new to the archive is selected as for the
> "World". Finally, New Maintainers tremble with trepidation at the
> power of The Claw, as it is known internally.
ssive access to your home directory by doing that -- hence
the dedicated per-user groups.
> That said, 027 would probably be a reasonable default too since most
> sites do not do that.
I think 027 is much easier to justify, is seems likely that anyone that
prefers 022 over 027 is more likely
that works -- which they
would not get if you had your way.
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de
to ignore the exception to the exception across the board without
consulting lawyers? I think there are several people in this thread
(myself included) that have demonstrated that they're going to argue
against such a consensus. That being the case, it's not going to
happen, so repeating the same jus
n build their infrastructure upon that
software, meaning that changing it could be very costly, and those users
might be wealthy enough to be interesting to copyright trolls.
Then the copyright holder dies and their estate passes on to someone
that wants to maximise its value, so they sell the copyri
possible that we (as a project) could agree to
some of these subsets being easier and/or harder to enable, and thus
allow the FSF to feel more cheerful about the way we look at the world.
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to a real
thread (until you notice that the body of the message they were replying
to has never previously been seen on the list).
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Christopher Clements <bcn...@gmail.com> writes:
> On Sun, Mar 05, 2017 at 09:55:14AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
>>Christopher Clements <bcn...@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On closer examination, I think you are correct in saying that the
>>> replies are written
n if we did SPF for debian.org, but I guess
that the lack of SPF probably indicates that this is very hard to do
with our distributed setup.
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ear about it is
when someone becomes confused enough to reply angrily.
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"tipping-off" stuff is lovely too:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/section/54
I guess one might end up needing a lawyer to know if revoking one's
compromised keys is something that will also get you a 5 year sabbatical.
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d, from the github repository.
I'd suggest that it was already misleading to the audience that it was
aimed at, which is not the audience it is now being misapropriated for.
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llows one to set a timeout, as well as cancel it.
If not, the package name seems rather misleading.
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e of the node-* packages, I think they're being generated
by 'npm2deb'.
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Jérémy Lal <kapo...@melix.org> writes:
> 2017-01-06 12:53 GMT+01:00 Philip Hands <p...@hands.com>:
>> Jérémy Lal <kapo...@melix.org> writes:
>>
>>> 2017-01-04 10:04 GMT+01:00 Andrey Rahmatullin <w...@debian.org>:
>>>> On Wed, Jan 04, 201
Jonas Smedegaard <jo...@jones.dk> writes:
> Hi Phil,
>
> Thanks for looking into this!
>
> Quoting Philip Hands (2017-01-06 12:53:10)
>> Jérémy Lal <kapo...@melix.org> writes:
>>
>> > 2017-01-04 10:04 GMT+01:00 Andrey Rahmatullin <w...@debian.o
ll be with v4, since
both will be astonishingly ancient, but at least v6 buys us an extra
year of usefulness.
I suspect that it might be better for all concerned if we simply
encouraged people to use this via backports from the start, to avoid the
problem of fast-moving projects getting pre
-- I can imagine that some of them might be unhappy with the
prospect of having the latest release packaged, if there are bug fixes
in the HEAD that they don't want bug reports about for the next 5 years.
They could then push out a release quickly and you could package that
instead.
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That would seem to
be the reason that these ITPs mostly go without comment, and thus the
package gets uploaded with the same flaws.
I encourage people to take a closer look, and to comment on what they
find -- I've only scratched the surface, and have had a pretty good
hit-rate finding things (in a
maintenance effort available for them (since it seems that too little
effort was devoted to the initial packaging), which in turn makes one
concerned about whether they are going to be fit for a stable release.
Cheers, Phil.
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it will allow you to transfer your familiarity from ifconfig.
If you want an even more old school look without losing any info, try:
| sed 's/^\(.*\): \(.*:\)/\1-\2/;2,$s/^\b/\n/;s//\t/'
Cheers, Phil.
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realise that I really have no clue whatsoever what they
think they are doing in the land of node.js
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dodgy unit tests,
and segregate them into only running when one can do so under firejail,
say.
Cheers, Phil.
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you have enough swap
for your use case, and set the limit to suit your needs.
Alternatively, you can always create a new temporary location where you
have enough space (i.e. ~/.tmp/ ) and then either set TMPDIR to that in
the relevant user's shell profile/rc or define an alias such as:
alias debd
f these concatenated files, and then attempting
to determine whether grunt has done anything subtle in each case.
Cheers, Phil.
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gt;>
>> I'm obviously not Alex but I also object using a software for Debian's
>> own infrastructure which is split into a free and an enterprise version.
>
> Do you also object to DSA using puppet for configuration management?
Would objecting make any difference?
Cheers, Phil.
the package seems to be in NEW already [0].
>
> I understand that the temptation to package own scripts/pet projects
> is strong, I've felt it many times.
>
> [0] https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/ftpbackup_0.3-1.html
Where I notice that it is claimed that:
It was downloaded from
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