On 25-Sep-08, 08:34 (CDT), Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am 2008-09-22 16:43:51, schrieb Steve Greenland:
apt-get install localepurge
I was thinking on this too but it has an negative impact, since you have
to install the whole thing first... where you can run out of space
On 20-Sep-08, 19:28 (CDT), Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's not what he said. If installation of language files (they can still be
in the program package) could be only done for the language(s) that the user
wants (many systems only will ever use one specific translation),
On 31-Aug-08, 13:08 (CDT), Mark Hobley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Packages should not install cruft on the system. This means that a
package should not install a foreign language file, unless the system
has been explicitly configured to support that foreign language.
Others have commented on
On 28-Aug-08, 02:19 (CDT), Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, how would you check that a bug has not already been filed
manually by another user?
Why, the same way all the manual duplicate bug filers[1] check :-)
Steve
[1] yes, I've filed a few duplicates in my life, no need to
On 27-Aug-08, 16:06 (CDT), Franklin PIAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 08:43:16AM +0200, Franklin PIAT wrote:
For those who needs to choose a (light) webserver, this page is meant to
gather pros and cons of each one :
http://wiki.debian.org/WebServers
Just upgraded an old etch box to lenny via aptitude, ran into the
following minor problem:
(Reading database ... 22081 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace mount 2.12r-19etch1 (using .../mount_2.13.1.1-1_i386.deb)
...
You have NFS mount points currently mounted, and
On 28-Jul-08, 20:58 (CDT), Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, policy-rc.d is obeyed by invoke-rc.d, and therefore, by all maintainer
scripts.
But manually trying to run the initscript will still work.
Which is a *good* thing, which is why I detest the growing habit
On 22-Jun-08, 12:02 (CDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The updated package will have some new dependencies, and the Debian
Policy Manual says that any package dependencies should be agreed upon
by consensus on the debian-devel list before uploading .deb files.
No, it says that any Pre-Depends
On 13-Jun-08, 10:05 (CDT), Joao Eriberto Mota Filho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Package name: sock
Version : 0.3
Upstream Author : Willian Richard Stevens, Mike Borella and Christian
Kreibich.
* URL : http://www.icir.org/christian/sock.html
* License :
On 12-Jun-08, 11:23 (CDT), Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about using this transition to move some binaries between package
boundaries? Especially having some programs with generic names in -client and
some in -bsd seem to be a problem for some users (like #405827).
I do not
On 12-Jun-08, 13:57 (CDT), Eugene V. Lyubimkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bug was closed by maintainer with note it is not a bug. Is he right?
Banshee's maintainer isn't (and can't) be responsible for other packages
recommends.
It looks like the bug is in libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 which
On 10-Jun-08, 06:38 (CDT), William Pitcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- openvpn (may or may not have exception, more checking needed)
The copyright file has the necessary exceptions.
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reasons this might be is not
a job for the postinst.
But failing the install just because the daemon won't start *at this
particular moment* is not helpful.
All IMHO, of course.
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category.
Parsing error, I think.
Aptitude shows a group of obsolete and locally created packages.
However, it doesn't distinguish between them, as far as I can tell,
which is what Marc (and I) would like.
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(NOTE: Am I the only one who thinks descriptions, especially short
descriptions as in phenny, usually shouldn't tell what language was
used to implement the program? It's just not relevant to the user.)
I mostly agree with this. The exception would be development tools and
libraries, where the
from a repository that used
that particular tool. Currently I only *use* mercurial.
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[1] Used to track changes to config files until mercurial came along.
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be nifty if you could explicitly list the files being Replaced,
to avoid accidents, but I suspect there are more important things to be
done.
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, any files that are also in A will be taken over by B, as in
the Replaces only case. In *addition*, any remaining files in A will
be *removed*, and package A will be considered removed from the system.
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should not be introduced - so if we dont have a python
based system management package, it might be good to start one.
But it could be a Suggests, since it's only one of several utilities in
the package.
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through the various install
and config scripts, but not closely enough to figure out why...)
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But it still works.
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, and worked.
(All still with no resolv.conf or hostname file, and hosts with no IPv4
info.)
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The various emacsen-related packages seem to cause multiple re-compiles
during a single install run. It's not terribly slow, but it's sort of
annoying.
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* that argument (although it's
been years). The contention is that since the init script didn't take
the action, it's an error. So perhaps more specifity is required.
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interchangeable. After all, it worked on
their platform, so why be correct?
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has reviewed the patch and had problems
with it, it's that they've ignored it for 6 months.
I don't approve of IanJ's hijack attempt, but in this he's got a
legitimate complaint. So do the rest of us who've been waiting for
triggers for *years*.
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On 24-Feb-08, 10:30 (CST), Vincent Danjean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mercurial in now imported in the PAPT repo:
Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/python-apps/packages/mercurial/trunk
Oh, the irony.
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like the implementation, and ripped it out.)
DSP in pure Python? Hopefully not.
No, the actual playback is via xine or gstreamer, as previously noted.
I think this is different enough from mpd to be worth including. I'll
probably switch when it's packaged.
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I realize this is just an RFP, but the proposed package name is way too
generic. Something like 'partlabel' or 'disklabel' would be better.
It also seems a rather trivial script for its own package...
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this a request for one.
Looking at the website, it appears to be the former. It looks like a
wrapper that determines whether the FS in question is ext[23] or msdos,
and make the appropriate utility call.
However, I don't read Spanish, so there may be more to it.
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libraries and modules for the Python
programming language.
English sentences begin with capital letters. Yes, even when the word is
not normally capitalized.
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before power runs out.
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to have to do it eventually, why not now? Is there some sort of
fierce competition in ITPs that I'm unaware of?
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are not)
- safe object based locks to help debug lock code.
Excellent.
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files go.
I would include metalog's upstream defaults as an example, though, so
that an admin can easily convert to that, as well.
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; instead, liferea should, in fact, list them specifically.
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On 28-Nov-07, 05:25 (CST), Michael Biebl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pierre Habouzit schrieb:
wrong. providing inet-superserver means that you are able to perform
what any implementation of inetd(8
configuration.
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, I've had no problem getting maintainers to add | httpd to the
Depends, once I've confirmed that the package does, indeed, work with
non-apache servers.
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for this package so that should also work.
Wrong. That code is buggy. The limit of OPEN_MAX can be indeterminate,
and thus sysconf(_SC_OPEN_MAX) can return -1.
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On 31-Oct-07, 12:39 (CDT), Ben Goodger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
libvncserver has dropped out of use and been replaced by vlc.
Huh? VNC != VLC.
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to deal with one MTA. I
find postfix more understandable than exim, but I know others feel the
reverse.
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Original, as in the 4-clause anti-advertising version? It's your code,
your license choice, of course, but it's so rarely used these days, I
kind of wondered...
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shouldn't make a package DFSG non-free. I'd bet there are
many packages in Debian whose distribution or use violates local law
somewhere in the world.
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as way to get some of the package
basics right before you upload debs and people spend time translating
them. The sooner you find and fix a bug, the easier it is.
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/two month periods are
bit short - people do take vacations.
Other than that, good proposal.
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of this argument, really, but if you really think
it's a problem: What if someone needed to access an existing Perforce
repository?
They could download and install the client from Perforce?
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generate a bunch of differnt unmunges, and try
them. Or, more accurately, sell them to losers.
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-assistant should recommend/depend on bzip2,
since it is presumably m-a that is calling it.
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don't want a particular e-mail address
distributed, then don't distribute it.
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should help).
That's fixing a symptom, not the bug. What possible justification is
there for a package looking at the contents of $HOME during the build?
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maintaining several machines with similar package loads, most
of your downloads are local.
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* system except you. It simply won't be available as a Debian
package from the Debian archive on new installs. Why not? Because nobody
is willing to make the effort to support it.
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the version from being installed
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3. The actual contents and structure of the default menu in each WM etc.
This is a matter of Policy and ENTIRELY orthogonal to issues 1 and 2.
In particular, just saying we're going
saying we're going to use the FDo format now does
nothing to prevent the kind of mess you see in the Debian menu. OTOH,
setting an acceptable policy would clean up not only the GNOME menu but
all the other menu systems.
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On 17-Jul-07, 02:05 (CDT), Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Some of the users we target don't even know what a window manager is,
and they don't want to know it.
Some of the users we target don't use any
change from 'baz' (aka bazaar the old SCM tool)
to 'bzr' (the new SCM tool)? That seems like a bad idea.
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menu format, then transitioning to FDo format is a fine proposal.
Someone (Bruce Sass?) proposed a straightforward transition plan.
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with bzr.
Or, just include in the bazaar package long description This is baz,
not bzr. You probably want the bzr package, instead.
Or, just have 'bazaar' depend on *both* baz and bzr.
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xsession.
So J. Random User can easily see what window managers are available.
Not everybody thinks GNOME and KDE are the epitome of desktop management.
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of the big values of Debian is a long time tolerance and support of a
variety of users and use patterns, even those that are non-mainstream.
If you find the Debian menu to be clutter, fine. Ignore it, or change
the configuration to skip it.
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than trashing the Debian
menu system, it might be the better choice for GNOME (in Debian), to
ignore/disable the Debian menu by default.
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seize the technical committee to ask the
GNOME menu to be replaced by the Debian menu.
Why do you think that would happen? None of the people here have
suggested that. You, on the other hand, have suggested that the Debian
menu system be trashed in favor the GNOME menu system.
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So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession.
Does your job include daily window manager testing?
No. But anything I use daily gets
wrong to be offended by jerks. However, based on
20 years of Usenet and mailling list experience, I do think you'll be
happier in the long run by learning to ignore them.
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on XMMS (via BMP), I'm not sure
why you find such comparisons offensive.
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/replacing the desktop links and scripts.
H.
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the dpkg level
conffile handling.
Alan, you know that it should only be prompting you on conffiles you actually
modified? Do you really want those overwritten?
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then would we encourage users of unstable to subscribe to
debian-devel and ask questions here? Problems with the unstable archives
are on-topic for -devel. Sure, the user might be *mistaken* about the
source of the problem, but we can solve that.
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faster and more efficient under many load patterns does not eliminate
the possibility of pathologically horrible behaviour under other load
patterns. Bubble sort works pretty well if the input data is already
sorted :-)
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On 10-Jun-07, 17:47 (CDT), Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since then, it seems like most users have switched to apt-get and
synaptic, with hardly
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Really? I'd have guessed that most people used aptitude. I can't imagine
anyone preferring synaptic to aptitude. Of course, I don't really
understand why
them meaningless. But we should
not have a situation where following Policy and tradition mean you get
subjected to random sniping about your wrong behavior.
Agree 100%.
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/status (because packages might be on hold).
Yes, many systems don't mix-n-match, and are pure etch or whatever. The
contents of /etc/debian_release doesn't, and can't, tell you that, no
matter how it's packaged.
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was something aptitude couldn't spot.
The new dependency resolver, with its scoring and easily overridable
choices, has pretty much solved this problem. But someone burned a few
years ago might not know this.
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: an Iceweasel extension to handle web and image links
Aren't iceweasel extension packages supposed to be named
'iceweasel-foo'? (No idea if there's actual policy, just looking at the
existing packages)
Thus Package name : iceweasel-linky
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about it.
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PS How come my unstable system says lenny/sid and my etch systems say
4.0? Is someone deliberately trying to make it impossible to parse?
Perhaps as a not-so-subtle way of saying don't use this from code?
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. If they've got their dependencies correct, I should
be able to install packages from other releases without too much
anguish.
Of course, if I have problem, I shouldn't be surprised to hear we can't
duplicate it on our pure etch system...
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(e.g. update-rc.d).
Other than that, it's usually a bad idea to attempt to modify other
packages' configuration files. If it's a conffile, it's explicitly
forbidden by policy. See policy 10.7 and especially 10.7.4.
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and what the bugs are. I'm not sure the number, in and of itself, is
meaningful.
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Why should we spend time and space to provide something that doesn't
do anything useful?[1]
I also once heard an argument that static libraries are easier
technical list. No
amount of technical input can compensate for the hostility and stupidity
that those kind of posts promote.
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, the file can't be a conffile.
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On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:28:49AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
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I'm not entirely sure about the specifics, and especially not across
architectures
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distinguish between Debian and upstream bugs. We make it easy to report
bugs to us, and it's our job to work from there.
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On 16-May-07, 01:58 (CDT), Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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As I illustreted, rock solid is not automatically guaranteed by
oldness of software or by length of pre-release testing.
And as others have
administration
needed. It provides its own implementations of these server protocols:
Imap, Pop3, SMTP, ManageSieve, Citadel
Versatile = versatile
verry = very
Imap = IMAP
Pop3 = POP3
(Yes, small nit-picky changes.)
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Depends: cupsys-client.
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increasing is the chance that the snapshot that You have will
not be installable at all, will have dependencies severely broken, etc.
That does not match my experience with testing.
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more like Ubuntu is one of them. Why not let Ubuntu
fulfill the desires of that group of users?
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, which is about the
only thing I'd expect to be measurable.
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On 09-May-07, 06:58 (CDT), Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Steve Greenland]
There's no requirement that /usr contain only pre-packaged info;
most of the wrappers that download binaries (e.g. flash) put them
under /usr.
It might not be a requirement, but it is a smart
significant pressure to upgrade to Fedora or SuSE.
Are you saying Fedora and SuSE have API documentation for all the
libraries they ship? I must say, that surprises me.
And if so, why haven't they submitted them upstream? :-)
Steve
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The irony is that Bill Gates claims
, it
will prevent confusion with the other tor system[2].
Steve
[1] Or whatever it is.
[2] No, I don't know of one off-hand. But given the number of naming
conflicts we've seen over the years, it wouldn't surprise me, now or in
the future.
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The irony is that Bill Gates claims
trade-off.
Steve
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The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating
system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the
world. -- seen on the net
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 04:40:45PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
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Because segfaults are often not easily reproduced. Having the ability to
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