On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:42:16AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
For the specific case of a change that makes basic desktop functions
unusable between upgrade and reboot (including the reboot button
itself), the right answer is until it's ready
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:50:53PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
I can't imagine how anyone can simultaneously hold the view that Debian
should use systemd for improved integration with end-user-targeted
desktop environments, and believe that Debian
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:00:07PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 25.07.2014 21:20, schrieb Steve Langasek:
I can't imagine how anyone can simultaneously hold the view that Debian
should use systemd for improved integration with end-user-targeted desktop
environments, and believe
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:46:45PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 25.07.2014 20:44, schrieb Steve Langasek:
Correct. But it's well-established that, when you upgrade your system,
things may be broken in a currently logged-in desktop session until you
log out and log back in.
The release
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:10:41PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 25.07.2014 19:23, schrieb Steve Langasek:
systemd-shim 6-4 has now been uploaded to unstable with a dependency on
cgmanager, implementing the new post-v205 interfaces.
I just installed systemd-shim 6-4 and cgmanager 0.28-1
to reupload the package to declare an incompatibility with
a version of a dependency that was in unstable less than a day before
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was in the
NEW queue but for some reason seems to have been rejected rather than
accepted.
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to go through this same sequence of messages every time someone
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the benefits of the 3.0 (quilt) format:
https://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0
Well, this is a one-sided view of the question from the creator of the 3.0
format, listing no disadvantages whatsoever.
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On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 06:22:49AM +0200, Johannes Schauer wrote:
Quoting Steve Langasek (2014-07-08 00:07:29)
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 09:14:44PM +0200, Johannes Schauer wrote:
Nevertheless, those false positives that were generated this way are
still useful to be later marked
Hi Johannes,
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 02:37:02PM +0200, Johannes Schauer wrote:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
freetds
openldap (U)
pam
unixodbc
There seem to still be some false positives here. pam is on the list
because of a build-dependency on libdb-dev, freetds
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 08:05:06PM +0200, Johannes Schauer wrote:
Quoting Steve Langasek (2014-07-07 18:36:50)
There seem to still be some false positives here. pam is on the list
because
of a build-dependency on libdb-dev, freetds and unixodbc are there because
of
a build-dependency
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 09:46:47PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:22:42 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
For the case of pam, I would be interested in seeing the full build log
to understand how in the world this built successfully without libdb.
That's definitely
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 09:14:44PM +0200, Johannes Schauer wrote:
Quoting Steve Langasek (2014-07-07 20:22:42)
Ah. No, it only means that the package build does not *fail* if the
build-dependency is removed. That is not the same thing as saying that the
build-dependency is not used.
you
, and
evaluating whether such messages are actually contributing to bringing these
discussions to a conclusion.
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will by default get systemd as init
on the first reboot, which is what we want.
I don't believe there is a good argument for why we should take a newer
upstream version of systemd for jessie if it means subjecting our users to
pre-reboot breakage on upgrades.
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On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 08:23:09PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
❦ 1 juillet 2014 10:53 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org :
- hold systemd back at 204 until systemd-shim is updated
The way user sessions work is quite different between 204 and 208. I
would hope that Jessie will come
is correct, there shouldn't be any
bug filed against it.
Well, I think the behavior of acpi-support-base is *now* correct in
unstable, in response to bug #752781. I don't think it's correct in
testing.
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On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 07:47:36PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2014-07-01, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
The question is which of these is a worse outcome for the jessie release. I
come down firmly on the side that breaking desktops on upgrade is a worse
outcome than being
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GPL code into PHP which is and will remain GPL-incompatible.
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 08:41:17AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 25 juin 2014 à 18:53 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
And logind replacements have not appeared yet, as expected.
Because this is a misstatement of the problem. Logind works systemd-shim
today.
If it works
no objection to the ftp team's decision to treat this as an automatic
reject on this basis - I don't think a license that requires us to make
false statements is suitable for main - but it's wrong to claim that these
works are undistributable.
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problems with the PHP License were already identified and worked through in
the archive a decade ago - so a lot of these bugs are probably false
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 07:26:05PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Jun 26, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
I have no objection to the ftp team's decision to treat this as an automatic
reject on this basis - I don't think a license that requires us to make
false statements is suitable
have not appeared yet, as expected.
Because this is a misstatement of the problem. Logind works systemd-shim
today.
This FUD is really getting tired.
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libupstart1 - Upstart Client Library
upstart- event-based init daemon
upstart-dconf-bridge - DConf bridge for upstart
upstart-monitor - event
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it; Debian should not be taking a position
on
this one way or another.
Debian should do the right thing, regardless of what upstreams may believe.
(Which is not to say anything about what the right thing is in this case.)
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On Sun, Jun 01, 2014 at 12:37:18AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Steve Langasek
FWIW, the recent port of Ubuntu to ppc64el uses -O3 as the default, because
IBM has broad experience in resolving performance issues for their own
hardware and have found that -O3 gives an overall better
an overall better experience for
their customers. It will be difficult for Debian to gather the same kind of
information across all its architectures, but we shouldn't conclude, just
because it's difficult to know the right answer, that -O2 is definitely the
right answer.
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was one that happened to be
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Lots of things don't work on a Debian release that *stopped being supported
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I certainly don't agree that it's the reason for migrating to systemd.
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be updated to that
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A better solution would be for you to step down as maintainer, since you
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On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 01:21:08AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:11:10PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:12:08AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
The name start-stop-daemon would suggest this is inappropriate for cron
jobs, is that an invalid
regardless of any good intentions you might hold, and
especially on a highly contentious topic like this one.
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On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 08:30:22PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 09.05.2014 19:56, schrieb Steve Langasek:
I don't think systemd integration is in a state today that this is ready to
become the default.
What are you missing?
Bug #746587 is a prime example. But more generally, I'm
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 03:01:10AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
Am 13.05.2014 02:54, schrieb Russ Allbery:
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
AFAIK, d-i disabling of s-s-d is a historical workaround for packages
not using invoke-rc.d (back in the days before it was a Policy must
switching in any
noninteractive scripts.
Systemd (as upstart) sidesteps this problem to a large degree by handling
uid switching as a native directive, avoiding the need to call out to a
separate command.
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haven't looked at what these ICC profiles are and whether we should
consider them creative or not, but that's the question Ben is asking here.
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pulling itself into people's systems before the sysvinit default has been
switched, and shows that we should only make the switch of default in
concert and after extensive testing. But the responsibility for fixing the
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This one.
The systemd package contains other dbus services that you don't want to try
to exclude from a desktop system; and libpam-systemd provides necessary
integration with policykit on those same systems.
Hope that helps,
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This is also unconstructive.
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not exist,
so users will need to be told to create those files themselves.
The right answer is probably to create the file on new installs and on
upgrades from versions earlier than the first version introducing this.
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On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 06:21:33AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
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On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 02:07:22PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
it would be a great advantage for Debian over the other distributions
to have the capacity to install multiple versions
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of the box. If you found it otherwise, I think you should be filing a bug
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they update the debhelper compat level, and then the
rest of the machinery will be taken care of by the helpers if they're
used.
What is the right build-dependency for non-debhelper packages?
The right build-dependency for non-debhelper packages is 'debhelper'. :P
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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 07:53:27AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 05:25:47PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org writes:
But I think we ought to switch to autoreconfing by default.
Agreed, particularly given that we now have a good
. But it would be
disruptive, and some packages would definitely fail to build afterwards.
So arguably, such a behavior change should be tied to a debhelper compat
level change.
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Changed
with the distros
*before* everyone settled on systemd.
The avalanche has already started; it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 09:49:44PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 07:41:50PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
I can understand the ftp team's desire to sidestep any moral questions here,
but in the process I think your guidelines have wound up vague and
overbroad
of this?
Your quoted output looks incomplete. The svn-buildpackage command shows no
signing of the .dsc or .changes file, and the dput shows that they're
signed. Is it possible that you re-signed the .dsc after signing the
.changes, thus changing its checksum?
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country where it's also illegal, does
this mean our rules should be changed?
I would appreciate a clearer policy from the ftp team that isn't quite so
dependent on the current state of our developer base and the mutability of
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itself in a catch-22 on dist-upgrades. So apt deliberately lets the
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On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 01:50:16AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Russ Allbery, le Sat 22 Mar 2014 17:12:49 -0700, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
Steve Langasek, le Sat 22 Mar 2014 12:43:56 -0700, a écrit :
Um, no, build-depending on virtual packages is absolutely
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would
use the PNG since the XCF and Lisp script no longer exist.
A PNG is not a program. There is no source required for a PNG under DFSG
#2, and anyone who says otherwise is engaging in (or a victim of) historical
revisionism.
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On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:50:13AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
A PNG is not a program.
Depends on your definition of program.
Yes. If you use the English definition of the word program, then it's not
a program. But I guess if you make up
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:24:19AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
That was a conscious decision on the part of the project to revise the text
of the Social Contract. That vote did *not* replace the use of the word
program in DFSG#2
in to the
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Closes: 510528 715478 731479 736059
Changes:
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* Fix the sec=krb5
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:31:28PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 02:29:45PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
Ok. The statistics still seem awfully low to me; but I guess
http://people.debian.org/~cjwatson/dhstats.png shows there hasn't actually
been a huge uptick in dh(1
. Packages marked with * were also in
non-successful state in the current build.
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* openldap (U)
samba
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the sound card and output its audio signal.
If any configuration is required, that is a bug in pulseaudio.
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On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 08:50:18PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 02/15/2014 08:42 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
If any configuration is required, that is a bug in pulseaudio.
According to that logic, half of the software in Debian is broken.
There's a difference between broken
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are *not* accountable to our
community, but decide they have an axe to grind, are very hard to keep out
of our mailing lists.
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Changes:
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* Pass -DFD_SIZE_2MB
be in jessie, it's unlikely to be called until
after dpkg has been upgraded. And if it is called from an older dpkg, it
will fall back to the previous (recoverable) behavior.
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* Remove Luk Claes from
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libpam-cracklib - PAM module to enable cracklib support
libpam-doc - Documentation of PAM
libpam-modules - Pluggable Authentication Modules for PAM
libpam-modules-bin - Pluggable
to decide to no
longer hold itself to the letter of the GPL, that's a decision for the
project to make as a whole.
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Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer
-By: Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
Description:
ovmf - UEFI firmware for virtual machines
Closes: 714463
Changes:
edk2 (0~20131029.2f34e065-1) unstable; urgency=medium
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* New upstream release. Closes: #714463.
- update debian/rules to pull a new version of the shell.
- drop
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