On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 11:42:05AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Steve Langasek writes (Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian):
To me, being redirected to stable-updates constitutes a refusal/denial by
the security team to use the security updates channel. Again, if it's a
security issue that's
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:51:40PM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
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I understand the
motivation (like everyone else they have more to do than they have time to
do it in), but I think the outcome, whereby the security team denies use of
the security
*, not importing the package history from the
archive would make dgit much less useful for the common case than UDD is
today.
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On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 08:11:56PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Steve Langasek writes (Re: Introducing dgit - git integration with the
Debian archive):
I don't think removing the automatic importer is an improvement at all.
I agree. Except that I wanted something I could deploy and use
just
fell short of the ideal.
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. As far as I'm
concerned, a security fix that isn't worth being pushed to
security.debian.org is also not worth me spending time on as a maintainer to
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has a responsive upstream and maintainer.
The python-arpy package in the NEW queue doesn't have a python3 version, so
this would regress python-debian. You might want to fix this first.
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 03:46:29PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 07/31/2013 08:30 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
What I'm missing your email is a problem statement explaining what it is
you're trying to solve. The current implementation has been working
reliably for years.
He did wrote
then which usually makes it really clear what happens.
You have overlooked the fact that only one of these can be the canonical
hostname of 127.0.0.1, and having the hostname and localhost canonicalize to
each other causes problems.
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 03:15:12PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 07/18/2013 01:29 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
- Reliable, low-maintenance system startup (no races / ordering bugs)
Could you point at these bugs?
No.
Look, Thomas, you asked what the goals of event-based init systems
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:06:27PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:25:42AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:07:39PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
- using the same infrastructure, it's also possible to
mount /etc in the initramfs so that you can
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:17:58AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 07/16/2013 02:19 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 04:18:17PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
If OpenRC goes up to the shape I expect, it will have a huge advantage
over systemd and Upstart
today. But being told that things will work out in the long
term is cold comfort for anyone who needs a working system in the meantime.
I wonder what systemd integration problems will be handwaved as somebody
else's problem, the way the kernel audio driver issues were for PA.
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:36:40PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/17/2013 09:26 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:58:49AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
simply don't realize
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:55:16PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/17/2013 09:45 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
That's Fedora, right, which adopted PulseAudio in 2007 and told the rest of
the world it was ready for production use?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases
/fstab. This is *not* how this should be handled. The
initramfs should take the information about the root filesystem from the
kernel commandline, and its information about /usr from /etc/fstab *on the
root filesystem once it has been mounted*.
Anything else is a wrong design.
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this is a bug in e2fsprogs for treating / specially wrt fsck after
mount. We should fix this in e2fsprogs, not work around it by changing the
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with non-Linux kernels.
Not sure where this idea comes from. upstart has never supported non-Linux
kernels; we're open to it being ported to other kernels, but prctl is a
minor detail for kernel compatibility compared with other, more significant
features that upstart relies on.
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 07:48:22PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 07/15/2013 07:11 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
Not sure where this idea comes from. upstart has never supported non-Linux
kernels; we're open to it being ported to other kernels, but prctl is a
minor detail for kernel
.
It will just be an improvement, and that's it.
It will be a minor improvement that does nothing to address the problems
with sysvinit that upstart and systemd aim to solve, which means
implementing it in Debian will be a waste of our time and distract from
solving the real problems.
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of the other bugs are similar.
Please downgrade the bugs from your MBF to a more appropriate severity.
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On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 04:10:16AM -0400, Dave Steele wrote:
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
serious when there's a grand total of 0 packages that use this -dev
package for linking against the library? Not hardly.
I think this severity: serious
this fix has not made it into the Debian package yet, though.
lightdm still doesn't create wtmp entries; but as TTBOMK 'last' is the only
command that cares about wtmp rather than utmp, and this is effectively just
a log, I think this is a lower-priority issue.
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do this, which is the preferred way to enable
hardening now anyway?
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-ignorant BIOS will be correct. But who looks
at the time in the BIOS anyway?
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removed that
complexity, you can't re-synthesize it from thin air in order to
autogenerate init scripts; you have to maintain it somewhere.
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, but there are some
important cases (such as split-DNS over a VPN) that couldn't be handled in
the kernel.
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Description:
nfs-common - NFS support files common to client and server
nfs-kernel-server - support for NFS kernel server
Closes: 707960
Changes:
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* The configure option name is --with-gssglue
claimed
https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/893021 for himself in response to
this thread. :)
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* Add myself as comaintainer, per 518fcece.7050
covered before, so I'm disappointed
to see this claim being repeated.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/02/msg00896.html
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transition, by
having the plugin-loader load from both locations.
Right. The rule of thumb here should be to only put plugins to a multiarch
directory if the loader of the plugins is a library that it's interesting to
enable as Multi-Arch: same.
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the default init comes with no obligation on maintainers to write
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 09:12:58PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 09:38:40AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
development (because unlike the systemd developers, the upstart developers
aren't trying to sell anyone a bill of goods about how their existing units
are perfect
function you can call to
check if init is upstart, and if so, neuter your init script:
if init_is_upstart; then
exit 1
fi
Doing this automatically by including /lib/lsb/init-functions would be EBW.
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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:36:42PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
❦ 30 mai 2013 23:07 CEST, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org :
. /lib/lsb/init-functions
(Which should be near the top of your init script already.)
This will automagically invoke systemd or upstart if appropriate
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:41:56PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 02:07:10PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:00:40PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:39:55PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
Practical question: if I were
;
that one is still on my radar, though I'm sorry to say I don't know when
I'll have a chance to work on it. Patches to make the plymouth 'details'
plugin support passing through fsck status info would be most welcome.)
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On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:45:25PM -0400, Ryan Kavanagh wrote:
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 05:08:06PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
There have been two responses to your proposal so far, neither of
which particularly looks to be in favor of your plan. I don't think
it's reasonable to proceed
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for services and should
not be used except in special cases.
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On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 08:40:19AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:50:00 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
wrote:
Also worth noting:
~/systemd$ find . -name '*.c' | grep -vE 'tests|test/|intl/|udev/' \
| xargs wc -l | tail -n1
149081 total
$ find . -name
parallelization.
Definitely. This is why upstart offers the 'expect fork' and 'expect
daemon' options in the first place, and why this limitation in using
fork/daemon is important for us to fix.
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, the libraries, and
a little-known daemon called 'udev'. The systemd init is *not* in Ubuntu
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On 20/05/13 at 18:19 +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote:
- Neither systemd nor upstart are likely to be ported to kfreebsd soon,
as they both rely on many Linux-specific features and interfaces.
Well, Colin Watson, Matthias Klose, Steve Langasek, James Hunt and I
it be possible to port that to
Debian/kFreeBSD? It's designed to run in a BSD userland, after all.
That doesn't seem like it would help at all with the concern about keeping
our userspace aligned across kernels.
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, and at the end calls 'initctl emit startup'
to call into the rest of the boot sequence; then you pass
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GNOME
and freedesktop.org without regard to integration with our existing system,
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 07:45:32PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 22 mai 2013 à 09:41 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 02:45:54PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
When you compare the time it takes to write an upstart job file or a
systemd unit file
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 01:10:06PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:21:33PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:03:34AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
I think that, to convince people that flexibility won't cause stability
and complexity
configuring the behavior of the libc resolver.
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if they choose. But I don't see any reason why an end user should care
about this, period.
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, it
should again be possible to use a simple local diversion to do so.
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be a start. It could help users request debug packages from
package maintainers.
This is a poor use of package maintainers' time. The problem of debug
symbols packages needs to be solved centrally for the whole archive, not
with continued use of one-off builds.
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On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 05:56:25PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
+++ Steve Langasek [2013-05-13 11:22 -0500]:
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 06:21:24PM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
On Monday 13 May 2013 03:55 PM, Arno Töll wrote:
note that, unlike Ubuntu we do not provide automated debug packages
in Ubuntu.
Replacing consolekit with logind is an eminently sane thing to do, and we
should definitely adopt this in Debian. But logind being bundled with
systemd source is no more an argument for adopting systemd as an init system
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copyright format available does not imply that it's mandatory to use it. I
stand by this position, and am opposed to any efforts to make this mandatory
until there is very good tooling for generating these files painlessly that
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packages seems like a sure recipe for both tools falling behind
in the long term.
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choice. It is about providing a high quality, free
operating system to our users. This ridiculous complexity in /bin/sh
handling undermines that quality.
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not tether itself to an implementation that's going to hinder us, when
you're already swimming against the current by trying to enforce this
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On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 08:17:51PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Steve Langasek (2013-05-11 18:33:03)
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:22:10AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
[...] the real goal of the change was to be able to have more than
*2* packages provide /bin/sh
maintainers try very hard to avoid.
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, but should be satisfiable within each architecture; britney just
needs to support them.
This would let us finally make use of Multi-Arch: allowed in the archive.
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mounting /usr from the initramfs.
Until we have that, all the should/shouldn't, do it by default, etc.
discussions are pointless.
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, ie. no
selinuxfs mounted there.
+1. The system created this directory as an exception to the FHS; it should
take care of cleaning it up as obsolete.
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is working against us.
Which is exactly why we should merge them.
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On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 01:43:03AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 05/08/2013 12:40 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 11:34:20AM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 07:31:36PM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote:
What about merging / and /usr ?
No please. We
the delta on this package now.
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, trying to push for more
collaboration when you can. That is the policy that I am trying to apply
to myself, and I hope it will be appreciated from both sides (eg: Debian
and Ubuntu) in the long run.
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modules.
But you need the foreign-architecture libperl installable, for the perl
modules to be linked against. This is the bit that's unimplemented today
(for most such interpreters, anyway).
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 05:26:41PM +0300, Niko Tyni wrote:
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:01:17PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 04:18:38PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
I don't see a need to have the perl:i386 interpreter installed on amd64
in order to build third party
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On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:29:06AM +0200, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt
Roeckx wrote:
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, by making such a tool a
dependency of the Java plugin package itself!), I think it's a very bad idea
for Debian to get entangled with any such implementation.
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that *directly contradict what
the user requested on the commandline*.
http://bugs.debian.org/661678
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ovmf - UEFI firmware for virtual machines
Changes:
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* Initial release.
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may or may not be appropriate to apply, but in no case
should you be referencing LVM volumes by UUID on /etc/fstab.
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enclose the documentation for your reference.
This seems to be a misnomer. The documentation makes it clear that it's
based on Russian roulette, not on roulette the casino game; dak-roulette
is as a result misleading, we should find a better name for this.
How about dak-svidanya?
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common pre-deps seem to be multiarch-support, and dpkg). So I think this is
a clear cut legitimate use of a Pre-Depends, but of course this should still
get other eyeballs on it in case I've missed something.
Thanks,
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rules; so
preferably, those udev rules would be the *only* place the device perms need
to be handled, and that means making sure the rules are valid at unpack
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proposed
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), it appears that avahi would have misbehaved in the same
way.
I don't know why these --all calls are a useful thing for ifupdown to do,
but I do think it's the responsibility of the avahi package to sensibly
ignore values of $ADDRFAM that it doesn't understand.
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