Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 04:04:18PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > Am Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 03:31:43PM +0200 schrieb Wouter Verhelst: > > [Feel free to quote any part of this email which I wrote outside of this > > mailinglist] > > OK, moving the discu

Re: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2024-01-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 04:43:45PM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:41:57AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > We can restore lost files in a postinst. For this to work, we must > > duplicate (e.g. hard link) affected files in the data.tar. > > Example: #1057220 (systemd-sysv

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 06:55:03PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: [...] > More cogently: where are we going to get our fortunes from - where's the > canonical source now that FreeBSD has gone? > > Who is going to take responsibility for checking quotes and translations > in all languages and

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 07:09:00PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 06:06:34PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:28:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct.en starts off with: > > &g

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:28:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 07:11:11PM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > > >The mission you have chosen for yourself, then, is to identify all those > > >things in the Debian distribution that are not constitutive of an > > >operating

Re: MBF: packages shipping init scripts without corresponding systemd units

2023-06-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 10:31:35PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 22:29, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > According to Lintian there are 314 packages shipping init scripts > > without a corresponding systemd unit: > > > >

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-06-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 11:24:15PM +0200, Diederik de Haas wrote: > On Wed May 31, 2023 at 12:44 PM CEST, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [...] > > 20+ year old machines are typically more power hungry, more expensive, > > less performant, and less reliable than an up-to-date raspberry pi.

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 12:51:06AM +0200, Diederik de Haas wrote: > While it may be a no-brainer for a person with a $/€ 1000 a month residual > income to just buy new hardware whenever they feel like it, that is not the > case for everyone. [...] > It's absolutely true that modern machines are

Re: Yearless copyrights: what do people think?

2023-02-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 08:20:27AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Daniel Baumann writes: > > On 2/22/23 14:26, Peter Pentchev wrote: > > >> Wait, I may have been unclear. I did not mean that I want to omit the > >> upstream copyright years *when they are there*. > > > I know you didn't mean that,

Re: Please, minimize your build chroots

2023-01-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 01:30:42PM +0100, Timo Röhling wrote: > Hi Andreas, > > * Andreas Henriksson [2023-01-28 12:50]: > > Policy is not a religion. Policy has many bugs. Policy is very outdated. > > [...] > > Here's an example you could follow: > >

Re: Multi-host networking software, autopkgtests

2023-01-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Ian, On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 04:59:58PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Paul Gevers writes ("Re: Multi-host networking software, autopkgtests"): > > I guess this is best discussed in https://bugs.debian.org/908274 (added > > in the To)? Maybe with Wouter and other interested parties? > > Hmmm.

Re: Proposed `cargo-upstream` dpkg-buildpackage etc. build profile

2022-12-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Ian, On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 10:41:13AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > I would like to add the following entry to the table of build > profiles in BuildProfileSpec: > > Profile anme: `cargo-upstream` > Can cause changes to built binaries, including functional chnges. (Y) > Should not cause

Re: Firmware GR result - what happens next?

2022-10-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 04:13:57PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 05:08:57PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 05:13:22PM +0200, Tobias Frost wrote: > >> Maybe and idea would to do something like isa-support does for e.g > >> sseX-support > >> on CPUs

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

2022-10-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Dylan, Something in pipewire caused my laptop to lose all audio. Since I work remotely and need to attend meetings over various video conferencing tools, that was not an option for me, so I reverted back to pulseaudio by removing everything from src:pipewire from my laptop and rebooting, which

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

2022-10-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 02:26:03PM +0200, Emanuele Rocca wrote: > [1] I already have alsa, jack, pulseaudio, pipewire packages > installed... At least no oss anymore! :) Since OSS is completely in-kernel, you actually do :-) (and yes, it still works. I own some ancient non-free games, they only

Re: Automatic trimming of changelogs in binary packages

2022-09-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:40:28AM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote: > > > > On 14 Sep 2022, at 10:37, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 03:09:07PM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote: > >> Yes, you’re right. However, my reservation is whether dp

Re: Automatic trimming of changelogs in binary packages

2022-09-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 03:09:07PM +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote: > Yes, you’re right. However, my reservation is whether dpkg is more prone to > breaking in disaster recovery scenarios. Reading a gzipped file is always > simpler than querying a DB via more abstraction. Honestly though, the way to

Re: Epoch for node-markdown-it

2022-08-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 04:37:46PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Yadd (2022-08-19 10:21:17) > > some months ago, a bad upstream tag changed node-markdown-it version to > > 22.2.3 instead of 10.0.0. So I'd like to change node-markdown-it version > > into 1:13.0.1 > > Since upstream is

Re: adduser default for sgid home directories

2022-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 07:06:59PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > I don't like the idea of messing with old NEWS entries at all. I'm trying to understand why you feel this way. A NEWS.Debian entry is not aimed towards developers; it is meant as documentation shown to the user when upgrading. Having

Re: adduser: disabling passwords, disabling logins

2022-03-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 09:00:22PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 18:40:11 +, Simon McVittie > >--disabled-login: the new account has an empty password but is "locked"; > >so password authentication will fail, but "unlocking" the account will > >result in login being accepted

Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0

2022-03-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 06, 2022 at 09:25:45PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Wouter Verhelst >aspic >logtool Yeah, no. These will be reduced to "wishlist" and probably tagged "wontfix". The packages work just fine, the source format is still supported, I have bet

Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer

2022-01-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 09:52:42AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > I don't have anything like a design for how that should look in my head > though -- I guess interested parties should get together and come up > with a design _before_ we start trying to implement it :-) This sounds like you need

Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer

2022-01-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:51:45AM +, Seth Arnold wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > > The only missing bit AFAIK is getting the step where tasksel gets > > installed into the target system, and then run, to be able to grab the > > version of tasksel to

Re: Adding new language/locale to system via a graphical interface

2022-01-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 03:29:06PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > > On തി, ജനു 3 2022 at 12:09:10 രാവിലെ +0200 +0200, Peter Pentchev > wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 02:59:26AM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm looking for a way to add a new locale/language to

Re: How to contribute ?

2021-12-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Maxime, On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 07:47:47PM +0100, Maxime Lombard wrote: >Hello, > >I'm an user of Debian since 10 years ago and it's only now that i decide >to help to packaging. >I send this email about wine and wine-development package which are not >updated since a very

Re: Using release-monitoring.org [was: uscan roadmap]

2021-12-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 02:43:56AM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I think that there's a security consideration associated with all these > proposals for externalizing finding upstream updates. Currently watch files > and at least the redirectors I know of all run on Debian infrastructure or on

Re: partman, growlight, discoverable partitions, and fun

2021-09-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 12:22:18PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 9/28/21 12:13, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > IOW, chill out, nobody's going to kill off partman unless there's > > something that's *actually* better than partman. > > Just some comments after

Re: partman, growlight, discoverable partitions, and fun

2021-09-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 06:19:28AM -0400, nick black wrote: > Wouter Verhelst left as an exercise for the reader: > > One thing that partman does is "support plug-ins", to allow for > > configuring block devices before being able to partition them, where > > neede

Re: partman, growlight, discoverable partitions, and fun

2021-09-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 03:18:48PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > > On Sep 27, 2021, at 2:25 PM, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > > Even if that interpretation would work as an excuse to never do > > anything, and I'm not really sure it does, this specification has been > > published

Re: partman, growlight, discoverable partitions, and fun

2021-09-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Nick, On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 06:25:03PM -0400, nick black wrote: > Marc Haber left as an exercise for the reader: > > But maybe an alternative? I find the partitioning step one of the most > > error-prone and hard-to-use parts of non-trivial Debian installations. > > so overall, i've got to

Re: Errors from TCP connections (was: How to build circular dependant packages in debian)

2021-09-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:45:06AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 02:11:06AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > > Normally one would get "Connection refused" when connecting to a port > > that isn't open, > > "Connection refused" is generated by TCP reset packets. That, or ICMP

Re: merged /usr vs. symlink farms

2021-08-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 09:57:09AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Wouter Verhelst writes: > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 08:23:50AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > >> If we tried to document every random bit of buggy packaging behavior > >> anyone thought of in Policy, Po

Re: merged /usr vs. symlink farms

2021-08-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 08:23:50AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Luca Boccassi writes: > > > Thank you - it has been brought up in this thread as an example of a > > valid setup, so if it is not, I think it could be good to be extra clear > > in the policy? How about the following: > > If we

Re: Looking for Estonian DD-s

2021-08-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 04:12:43AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 2:31 PM Aivar Annamaa wrote: > > > Is here someone, who can meet me in Tartu, Estonia or is willing to > > arrange this over the internet? Perhaps I could sign a statement about > > my identity with Estonian ID

Re: merged /usr vs. symlink farms

2021-08-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 02:40:02PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > On Sat, 2021-08-21 at 10:26 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > It bothers me that you believe "we've been doing this for a while > > and it didn't cause any problems, so let's just continue doing > > things t

Re: Q: Use https for {deb,security}.debian.org by default

2021-08-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 07:20:22PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > Yes transparent proxies or overridden DNS lookups could be used to > direct deb.debian.org and security.debian.org to your alternative > location, I've been thinking for a while that we should bake a feature in apt whereby a

Re: Q: Use https for {deb,security}.debian.org by default

2021-08-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:11:33PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2021-08-19 16:37:13 -0400 (-0400), Kyle Edwards wrote: > > On 8/19/21 3:46 PM, Simon Richter wrote: > > > For the most part, users would configure https if they are behind a > > > corporate firewall that disallows http, or

Re: merged /usr vs. symlink farms

2021-08-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:21:55AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 19:55 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:39:45PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: > > > > > > I think no one likes that idea, but it's the only solution that doesn't > > > immediately fail

Re: Gitlab support for Debian repositories (Was: Regarding the new "Debian User Repository")

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 04:47:32PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 03:59:50PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > because here, our focus would be to publish things :) > > Sure. But also to find problems early rather than late, no? > > no. Well, then

Re: merged /usr

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 04:17:01PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 16, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 07:53:20AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > Implementations with real /bin /sbin /lib* directories and symlink farms > > > are not usefu

Re: Debian package manager privilege escalation attack

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 01:19:23PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 01:12:37AM -0500, Brian Thompson wrote: > > Would you agree that there is an issue with sudo access that is enabled > > by default on most Debian and Debian-based distributions? The bug may > > not be in apt,

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:48:06AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Backports is not analogous to the concepts Timothy was presenting. It's > *one* repository, not a system where people (not just Debian maintainers) > can create repos. extrepo tries to help there, and now that bullseye is

Re: merged /usr

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 10:16:57AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > On Fri, 2021-08-13 at 07:53 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > Implementations with real /bin /sbin /lib* directories and symlink farms > > are not useful because they would negate the major benefits of > > merged-/usr, i.e. the ability

Re: merged /usr

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 07:53:20AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Implementations with real /bin /sbin /lib* directories and symlink farms > are not useful because they would negate the major benefits of > merged-/usr, i.e. the ability of sharing and independently updating > /usr. In those cases,

Re: Gitlab support for Debian repositories (Was: Regarding the new "Debian User Repository")

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Holger, On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 05:12:54PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > sorry for the late reply but I think it's still relevant... > (just thus rather leaving almost full quote as context.) > > On Thu, Jul 08, 2021 at 11:25:26AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrot

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 04:26:34PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: > Also, take care when moving shell commands from a shell script: the bash > shell at least keeps a cache of commands to paths so it doesn't have to do a > full path search every time. A shell script that calls > > mv /bin/cp

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 06:53:01PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 03:25:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > I'm worried about systems being written to completely bypass the dpkg > > database. > Like alternatives and things that create

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 02:13:33PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On 2021-07-27 Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 03:20:05PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 15:53:32 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >>> I've suggested prev

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 03:20:05PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 15:53:32 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > I've suggested previously that we can easily make it RC for bookworm to > > have a file outside a limited set of directories (/etc and /usr

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 03:10:42PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Hi Guillem > > Am 19.07.21 um 03:36 schrieb Guillem Jover: > > What I've also said multiple times, is that > > merged-usr-via-moves-and-symlink-farms could have been implemented in > > a fully automated way, by debhelper, w/o

Re: Gitlab support for Debian repositories (Was: Regarding the new "Debian User Repository")

2021-07-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 12:31:10PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 02:09:36PM +0200, Mathieu Parent (Debian) wrote: > > > Do you have plans to support publishing builds only if they've produced > > > bit by bit identical results on several builders? IOW, do you plan to > > >

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 01:04:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonathan Carter writes: > > > I think that framing the problems and noting them while the last GR is > > still fresh in our collective memories will be really useful. I don't > > think anyone should feel too much pressure right now

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Sam, On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:58:51AM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: > Certainly in the systemd process there were a number of short comings > that came to light that are worth improving: > > 1) The person who introduces a GR is treated differently than anyone who > introduces an amendment in

Re: Fixed release dates are hurting quality

2021-03-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
So. On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 01:40:39PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hello! > > I just noticed how maintainers are NMU'ing packages in large quantities to > get them somehow in a usable state for the release. The packages get small > patches so that they are more or less working and

Re: Library won't link

2020-11-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Sven, On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 11:44:42AM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2020-11-22 11:29 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > What am I missing? > > I think this happens because g++ passes --as-needed to the linker in > unstable, but not in stable. Your test program is co

Library won't link

2020-11-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, For the past year, I've been (on and off) working with ola upstream on getting new-gcc (first 9, then 10) and python3 issues resolved, so that I would be able to get it into bullseye again. We're almost there, except for one thing that mystifies me. As part of the autopkgtest, I build a

Re: Making Linux distro with Debian

2020-11-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 01:39:10AM +0300, ajsjajis eihwjshs wrote: >Its legal to making Linux distro and sharing with changing Debian logos >codes etc.  Yes, it is legal, absolutely. -- To the thief who stole my anti-depressants: I hope you're happy -- seen somewhere on the Internet

Re: Hosting the original youtube-dl sources on salsa?

2020-11-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 09:16:21AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Rogério Brito writes: > > > Dear people, > > > > As many of you may know, the RIAA issued a resquest for GitHub to take down > > the youtube-dl repository. > > IANAL so I may be confused, but AIUI that takedown is based on the >

Re: Build-Depends-If-Available

2020-08-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Package: debian-policy On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 06:28:50PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > I understand what you're saying, and indeed trying to encode > "Build-Depends-If-Available: foo" as "Build-Depends: foo | something" > is a bad idea from the get-go. After all, foo can have three states

Re: Source only upload

2020-07-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:11:13AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 02:21:30PM +, Paul Wise wrote: > > Personally, I think we should discard binaries from all sourceful > > uploads and only accept binaries from binary-only uploads such as the &

Re: Source only upload

2020-07-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 02:21:30PM +, Paul Wise wrote: > Personally, I think we should discard binaries from all sourceful > uploads and only accept binaries from binary-only uploads such as the > uploads done by the buildds. The reason we don't do this is because of bootstrapping: some tools

Re: Recommendations around Git Packaging in Debian

2020-04-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Sam, Thanks for following up on this. On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 02:38:04PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > * We had a discussion of using native packages [2]. I wanted to read up on this a bit more, but your footnote is missing. What was that meant to point to? Thanks, -- Home is where you

Re: trends.debian.net updated

2020-04-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 09:11:57PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > Wouter Verhelst writes: > > On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 08:03:09PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > >> Adam Borowski writes: > >> > Idea: perhaps we could make no unrestricted (maintainer, team, or QA) >

Re: length of Debian copyright files

2020-04-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 11:29:22AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Wouter Verhelst (2020-04-11 10:36:44) > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 03:43:17PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > Debian: > > > https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/g/gtk%2B4.0/copyright-

Re: trends.debian.net updated

2020-04-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 10:41:55PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > https://trends.debian.net/ was just updated (with data until April 1st). There is a significant bump in the number of co-maintained packages during the buster release cycle. It is not at all clear to me what happened

Re: trends.debian.net updated

2020-04-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 08:03:09PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > > Idea: perhaps we could make no unrestricted (maintainer, team, or QA) upload > > for 10 years a RC bug on its own? That threshold could then be gradually > > reduced to eg. 5 years, as worst offenders get

Re: length of Debian copyright files

2020-04-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 03:43:17PM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > Debian: > https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/g/gtk%2B4.0/copyright-3.98.0-1 > plus we ship the LGPL in base-files' common-licenses. This kind of insanity is actually why I refuse to use the machine-parseable copyright

Re: Is there still a point in installing libgcrypt to /lib instead of /usr/lib

2020-03-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
[sorry for the late reply; catching up on email] On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 04:23:15PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > On 2/21/20 2:00 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Even so, if we want to do so, this can be done correctly by a preinst > > script in new libc, by way of a s

Re: Is there still a point in installing libgcrypt to /lib instead of /usr/lib

2020-02-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 06:26:32AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 19, Guillem Jover wrote: > > > For any pathname that has been hardcoded a symlink can be used for > > backwards compat, nothing unlike /bin or /sbin here. This looks just > > like a normal bug from a botched transition,

Re: Is there still a point in installing libgcrypt to /lib instead of /usr/lib

2020-02-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:19:35AM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 23:20:11 +0100, Andreas Henriksson wrote: > >a debhelper addon which runs after > >dh_install, detects files in /lib, /bin and /sbin, moves them > >into /usr and generates the needed postinst code

Re: Can Debian packaging changes require a CLA?

2020-02-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 09:45:32AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst: > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 06:38:00PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> It would also make the package unmaintainable if the original packer > >> loses interest, so the

Re: Can Debian packaging changes require a CLA?

2020-02-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 06:38:00PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > It would also make the package unmaintainable if the original packer > loses interest, so the package would not be suitable for inclusion in > a stable release. Eh, it doesn't? A CLA is "you're allowed to change this, but if you

Re: Y2038 - best way forward in Debian?

2020-02-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 11:41:32PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Hey John, > > John Goarzen wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 04 2020, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > >The thing that we have to remember is that an operating system is a > >platform for running software. This problem is rather thorny, because: >

Re: Best practices for Debian developers who are also upstreams?

2020-02-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 10:07:48PM +0200, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > Hello! > > I've ended up in being both the maintainer in Debian and an upstream > developer for a couple of packages and I have been fantasizing about > how to optimize my workflow so that I primarily fix all bugs and do QA >

Re: Y2038 - best way forward in Debian?

2020-02-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 10:31:16AM +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 at 09:28:24 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Why not? This seems like the type of problem that SONAMEs are made for. > > What am I missing? > > SONAMEs are set by the upstream developer

Re: Heads up: persistent journal has been enabled in systemd

2020-02-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 10:45:05AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 07:58 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > ❦ 6 février 2020 09:50 +11, Dmitry Smirnov : > > > > > > and 2) continuing to use rsyslog isn't an option if the default changes. > > > > > > No. I just don't want

Re: Y2038 - best way forward in Debian?

2020-02-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 01:14:10PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > So, we're all fine? Not so much: for our 32-bit Debian arches, we will > need to basically rebuild the world to be 2038-safe. When we had to do > something like this in the past, to deal with the libc5->libc6 > transition, we had an

Accepted sreview 0.5.0-1 (source) into unstable

2020-01-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 23:21:50 +0200 Source: sreview Architecture: source Version: 0.5.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst Changes: sreview (0.5.0-1) unstable; urgency

Re: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dballe

2020-01-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 02:47:45AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 11:32 AM Paul Gevers wrote: > > > [1] Source packages that build binaries unknown to the archive currently > > need these binaries to be uploaded by the maintainers for reviewing by > > ftp-master in NEW. IIRC

Accepted fdpowermon 1.19 (source) into unstable

2019-12-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 09:00:46 +0200 Source: fdpowermon Architecture: source Version: 1.19 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst Changes: fdpowermon (1.19) unstable; urgency

Accepted extrepo 0.5 (source) into unstable

2019-12-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 11:34:32 +0200 Source: extrepo Architecture: source Version: 0.5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst Changes: extrepo (0.5) unstable; urgency=medium

Accepted extrepo 0.6 (source) into unstable

2019-12-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 11:39:46 +0200 Source: extrepo Architecture: source Version: 0.6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst Changes: extrepo (0.6) unstable; urgency=medium

Re: Namespaces for Lintian Tags

2019-11-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 09:55:04AM -0800, Felix Lechner wrote: [...] > For example, the tag > 'debian-copyright-file-uses-obsolete-national-encoding' might become > 'national-encoding@debian/copyright'. > > There are many motivations: > > 1. Shortens tag names. I do not see how that is a good

Accepted extrepo 0.4 (source) into unstable

2019-11-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:56:28 +0200 Source: extrepo Architecture: source Version: 0.4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst Changes: extrepo (0.4) unstable; urgency=medium

Accepted extrepo 0.3 (source) into unstable

2019-11-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:31:46 +0200 Source: extrepo Architecture: source Version: 0.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst Closes: 945047 945053 945054 Changes: extrepo (0.3

Accepted extrepo 0.2 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2019-11-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 12:50:00 +0200 Source: extrepo Binary: extrepo Architecture: source all Version: 0.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst Description: extrepo

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2019-11-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, On Sat, Nov 09, 2019 at 07:20:44PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Hi Timo, > > On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 07:33:10PM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote: > > Hallo Wouter Verhelst, > > > > 03.11.19 18:35 Wouter Verhelst: > > > The software from the package downlo

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2019-11-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Timo, On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 07:33:10PM +0100, Timo Weingärtner wrote: > Hallo Wouter Verhelst, > > 03.11.19 18:35 Wouter Verhelst: > > The software from the package downloads the metadata index and validates > > the GPG signature; and if everything checks out, adds conf

Re: Perhaps we're rehashed enough of the systemd discussions?

2019-11-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 03:26:40PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: > > Wouter> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 03:45:47PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >> http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/ > >

Re: Integration with systemd

2019-11-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 03:45:47PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/ https://grep.be/blog/en/computer/cluebat/Systemd__Devuan__and_Debian/ -- To the thief who stole my anti-depressants: I hope you're happy -- seen somewhere on the Internet on a photo of a

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2019-11-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
So, in 2015 I wrote: > Hi, > > At $DAYJOB, I'm maintaining a few repositories with ready-to-install > packages for a number of distributions[1] > > Currently, the instructions[2] say to do the following: > - Download and install an "eid-archive" package, which contains the GPG > keys and

Re: BITS from the DPL For September/October 2019

2019-10-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 03:19:03PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > We've now had several years of essentially declining to make a decision > and trying to see if the project can muddle through, and while I feel > somewhat vindicated by the fact that this didn't immediately fall apart > and has sort

Accepted policy-rcd-declarative 0.3 (source) into unstable

2019-10-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:49:29 +0200 Source: policy-rcd-declarative Architecture: source Version: 0.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst Changes: policy-rcd-declarative (0.3

Re: Bits from the DPL (August 2019)

2019-10-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Sorry about the lateness here, been busy... On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 12:22:34PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Sean" == Sean Whitton writes: > > Sean> You might separate your detailed, narrative descriptions of > Sean> how discussions went from what you took away from the > Sean>

Accepted nbd 1:3.20-1 (source) into unstable

2019-09-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:05:42 +0200 Source: nbd Architecture: source Version: 1:3.20-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Wouter Verhelst Changed-By: Wouter Verhelst Changes: nbd (1:3.20-1) unstable; urgency=medium

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 01:16:26AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 9/15/19 12:06 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > There's nothing that requires you to interact with a VCS repository that > > you > > don't care to. > > But I do care about using Git, and interacting with other DDs using it.

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 12:01:24AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > It is a real life experience that I had to touch horribly maintained > packages by unknown contributors, with Vcs-Git: > https://github.com//, missing commits not matching the > archive, and no response from the maintainer to the

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:43:33PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Sep 12, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Except all they need to do is return NXDOMAIN on the > > "use-application-dns.net" domain, and Presto! they can spy on their > > users again. > The

Re: How to give back a build

2019-09-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 07:02:15PM +0200, Jeff wrote: > The package I uploaded yesterday failed to build[1]. In the buildd, 2 of > 1000+ tests failed. Of course, I built in a clean sbuild for sid before > I uploaded it, and the same package built fine on the newer Ubuntu > distros on launchpad. So

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 07:56:48PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 08:24:03 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > > > On 9 Sep 2019, at 15:31, Bjørn Mork wrote: > > > > > > I for one, do trust my ISPs a lot more than I trust Cloudflare or > > > Google, simply based on the

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