Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-21 Thread Johannes Schauer
Hi, Quoting Niko Tyni (2014-04-20 23:50:56) I thought so too, but it doesn't seem to be the case? For example, I can't install cmake:i386 in an amd64 trusty chroot: The following packages have unmet dependencies: cmake:i386 : Depends: cmake-data:i386 (= 2.8.12.2) but it is not

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-20 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Stuart Prescott stuart at debian.org writes: Unfortunately, the people who understand multiarch well enough to write it up for policy haven't done so which leaves us with no normative documentation in policy for the the Multi-Arch field in Packages, no description of how the package

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-20 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 20 April 2014 12:58, Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org wrote: Stuart Prescott stuart at debian.org writes: Unfortunately, the people who understand multiarch well enough to write it up for policy haven't done so which leaves us with no normative documentation in policy for the the Multi-Arch

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-20 Thread Wookey
+++ Stuart Prescott [2014-04-18 17:25 +1000]: Hi Eugene, It seems that in jessie (and similar in sid) a number of packages [1] started to use ':' symbol in their dependency lists as part of package names. This is, if I'm not misreading the Debian Policy §7.1 and §5.6.1, is not allowed.

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-20 Thread Stuart Prescott
Thorsten Glaser wrote: Stuart Prescott stuart at debian.org writes: Unfortunately, the people who understand multiarch well enough to write it up for policy haven't done so which leaves us with no normative documentation in policy for the the Multi-Arch field in Packages, no description of

arch:all cross-build-deps in ubuntu (was: :any syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages)

2014-04-20 Thread Johannes Schauer
Hi, Quoting Wookey (2014-04-20 16:24:46) So far as I know that spec doc is correct for Debian and Ubuntu. The only significant difference is that Ubuntu has patched apt to assume that :all packages are M-A:foreign by default. Debian has not, and requires all packages to be so marked

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-20 Thread Stuart Prescott
As xnox says there is still some pending changes around the interpreter problem, as described here: https://wiki.debian.org/HelmutGrohne/MultiarchSpecChanges And that debate is part of the reason this stuff hasn't been considered 'finalised' and thus ready for policy. But I think the core

Advice for how to make new things policy (was: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages)

2014-04-20 Thread Johannes Schauer
Hi all, Quoting Stuart Prescott (2014-04-20 16:58:21) As xnox says there is still some pending changes around the interpreter problem, as described here: https://wiki.debian.org/HelmutGrohne/MultiarchSpecChanges And that debate is part of the reason this stuff hasn't been considered

Re: Advice for how to make new things policy (was: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages)

2014-04-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 07:53:57PM +0200, Johannes Schauer a écrit : I wholeheartedly agree with Stuart's email. I would love to see policy lead the way. But as somebody who comes up with new things that might end up in policy: how to proceed? My current approach is to write countless mails

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-20 Thread Niko Tyni
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 03:24:46PM +0100, Wookey wrote: So far as I know that spec doc is correct for Debian and Ubuntu. The only significant difference is that Ubuntu has patched apt to assume that :all packages are M-A:foreign by default. Debian has not, and requires all packages to be so

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-20 Thread Niko Tyni
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:58:59AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Stuart Prescott stuart at debian.org writes: Unfortunately, the people who understand multiarch well enough to write it up for policy haven't done so which leaves us with no normative documentation in policy for the the

Re: Advice for how to make new things policy (was: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages)

2014-04-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, Charles Plessy wrote: things are too slow or not happening is the lack of manpower. See for example the documentation of the Dpkg triggers: we miss only one single Debian Developer to review the discussion and the patch in #582109 (I even offered to go piece by piece, see

Re: Advice for how to make new things policy (was: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages)

2014-04-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:06:00PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, Charles Plessy wrote: things are too slow or not happening is the lack of manpower. See for example the documentation of the Dpkg triggers: we miss only one single Debian Developer to

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-18 Thread Stuart Prescott
Hi Eugene, It seems that in jessie (and similar in sid) a number of packages [1] started to use ':' symbol in their dependency lists as part of package names. This is, if I'm not misreading the Debian Policy §7.1 and §5.6.1, is not allowed. Suggestions for issue's severity and how to

':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-17 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Hello, It seems that in jessie (and similar in sid) a number of packages [1] started to use ':' symbol in their dependency lists as part of package names. This is, if I'm not misreading the Debian Policy §7.1 and §5.6.1, is not allowed. Suggestions for issue's severity and how to proceed? [1]

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-17 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org, 2014-04-17, 22:24: It seems that in jessie (and similar in sid) a number of packages [1] started to use ':' symbol in their dependency lists as part of package names. This is, if I'm not misreading the Debian Policy §7.1 and §5.6.1, is not allowed.

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-17 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org, 2014-04-17, 21:40: * Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org, 2014-04-17, 22:24: It seems that in jessie (and similar in sid) a number of packages [1] started to use ':' symbol in their dependency lists as part of package names. This is, if I'm not misreading the

Re: ':any' syntax in package names in jessie/sid Packages

2014-04-17 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 22:24:11 +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: It seems that in jessie (and similar in sid) a number of packages [1] started to use ':' symbol in their dependency lists as part of package names. This is, if I'm not misreading the Debian Policy §7.1 and §5.6.1, is not