Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-09-06 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 02:00:42AM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 11:54:05PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Software has bugs, it's a fact of life. New software is more likely to have unknown bugs that affect more people. What makes the Helix packages so nice is the

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-09-05 Thread David Starner
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:29:32AM +1100, Donovan Baarda wrote: packages into unstable. Helix is too stable for unstable, and too unstable for stable. Not exactly true, as Helix Gnome is usually more cutting-edge than unstable Gnome. -- David Starner - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http/ftp:

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-09-05 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:06:49PM -0500, David Starner wrote: packages into unstable. Helix is too stable for unstable, and too unstable for stable. Not exactly true, as Helix Gnome is usually more cutting-edge than unstable Gnome. In my experience, it's had a bug report to fix

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
Joseph Carter wrote: Software has bugs, it's a fact of life. New software is more likely to have unknown bugs that affect more people. What makes the Helix packages so nice is the turnaround time for fixes. I don't know how they do it, but they do. Maybe they have a dinstall delay of less

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-09-05 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 11:54:05PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Software has bugs, it's a fact of life. New software is more likely to have unknown bugs that affect more people. What makes the Helix packages so nice is the turnaround time for fixes. I don't know how they do it, but they do.

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-09-05 Thread Peter Teichman
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:29:32AM +1100, Donovan Baarda wrote: I believe the infamous aalib affair actualy came out of a wishlist bugreport submitted to them by a user; the then frozen potato aalib was too low a version to meet all the helix dependencies. This meant people like me had to pull

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-09-04 Thread Donovan Baarda
G'day Joey, I'm not subscribed to debian-devel, but wanted to add some comments on this issue after reading the web archives. Because I'm not subscribed, I dunno if my Cc to the list will work, in which case you can forward this to the list as you see fit. IMHO, the entire reason Helix exists as

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-31 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Peter Teichman wrote: I have one question. What is the preferred way for me to handle our gtk package? This is a library package that we actually apply some patches to for a slightly nicer user interface. Well, we don't have much provision for flavors of shared

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Ryan Murray
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:08:43PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Don't do this. If you're hellbent on forking Debian packages just for the sake of doing so, or spraying them with Helix musk, then name the packages appropriately. helix-gnomecc helix-gnome-core helix-gdm In the case of

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Anand Kumria
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:02:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: No, there is no difference between our apps and the upstream in most cases. We do brand gnome-core and gdm, but those are the only packages I can think of offhand. Those are only graphics changes, substituting some of our

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:12:56PM -0700, Ryan Murray wrote: stable Debian releases only have security changes and critical bugfixes going into them once released. I feel that the security/bugfix is more important than any of the extras offered in the Stormix packages, so your suggestion

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 04:48:19PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: That is one mechanism of creating a private namespace, isn't another Setting the origin to something other than Debian? Please see elsewhere in this thread for my other remarks on this subject. An Origin field is a great idea.

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Ryan Murray
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 01:28:18AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:12:56PM -0700, Ryan Murray wrote: stable Debian releases only have security changes and critical bugfixes going into them once released. I feel that the security/bugfix is more important than

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: That is one mechanism of creating a private namespace, isn't another Setting the origin to something other than Debian? Please see elsewhere in this thread for my other remarks on this subject. An Origin field is a great idea. We have one,

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:07:03PM -0500, Joseph Carter écrivait: Perhaps the existing Gnome maintainers interested could help by working on the packages in CVS? This takes some load off of Peter who is currently trying to do the whole Debianization process as well as upstream work himself

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Peter Teichman
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:02:04PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: No, there is no difference between our apps and the upstream in most cases. We do brand gnome-core and gdm, but those are the only packages I can think of offhand. Those are only graphics changes, substituting some of our

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Peter Teichman
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 01:20:48AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: That is one mechanism of creating a private namespace, isn't another Setting the origin to something other than Debian? Please see elsewhere in this thread for my other

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Christian Marillat
PT == Peter Teichman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] PT This solution looks like the best one. I'll start rebuilding our PT packages immediately. Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christian

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Peter Teichman
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:50:08PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote: PT == Peter Teichman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] PT This solution looks like the best one. I'll start rebuilding our PT packages immediately. Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Christian Marillat wrote: Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where did that come from That won't do anything at all and will make dpkg-gencontrol complain loudly at you. Wichert. --

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Peter Teichman
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 01:20:48AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: 3) Libraries - All possible effort should be made to make Debian the primary source of libraries. Period full stop. This is so important because of what we are seeing with helix and their special library

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread John Goerzen
Christian Marillat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoa! What packages understand this, and where is it documented? Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-08-30 Thread Christian Marillat
JG == John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget to put this field in debian/control: Send-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JG Whoa! What packages understand this, and where is it documented? Sorry this is a error. The right place for this is in: /usr/share/bug/$package/control For more