Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-07 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Qui, 2005-11-03 às 12:45 -0800, Erast Benson escreveu: Apparently you misunderstood me. All I'm saying is that Debian community might want to embrace GNU/Solaris non-glibc port or reject it. To embrace, some core components, like dpkg, should be dual-licensed CDDL/GPL. I say let's reject

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op wo, 02-11-2005 te 18:31 -0800, schreef Erast Benson: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 01:14 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Banck wrote: If so, do you plan to use Debian's mailing lists and bug tracking system for development? No. We have ours:

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op wo, 02-11-2005 te 21:04 -0800, schreef Erast Benson: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 18:54 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ubuntu is not an official Debian Port. on another hand, GNU/Solaris uses different kernel and libc, which brings many

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 02 novembre 2005 à 21:04 -0800, Erast Benson a écrit : FreeBSD kernel under BSD license and not GPL-compatible. Native GNU libc do not make any difference since it is a part of system runtime which includes: kernel, libc, compiler, etc (as per GPL). In fact, it is even more

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Thursday 03 November 2005 08.32, Erast Benson wrote: Matthew: [...] whether you want to be part of A Debian Release. Hard to say right now... Lets see how all this thing will progress. But, *yes* we are willing to cooperate. So I guess this summarizes the technical side of this

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread David Moreno Garza
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 16:36 -0800, Alex Ross wrote: Do you plan to submit your port as an official port to Debian once it stabilizes? Yes. Wasn't this already discussed regarding CDDL being not compatible with DFSGs? Otherwise, hit myself with a cluebat :)

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 18:51 +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: On Thursday 03 November 2005 08.32, Erast Benson wrote: Matthew: [...] whether you want to be part of A Debian Release. Hard to say right now... Lets see how all this thing will progress. But, *yes* we are willing to

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 12:22 -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 16:36 -0800, Alex Ross wrote: Do you plan to submit your port as an official port to Debian once it stabilizes? Yes. Wasn't this already discussed regarding CDDL being not compatible with DFSGs?

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: World is changed since then, and today we have Nexenta OS. This forces community to re-think/re-work all these CDDL vs. GPL issues. You seem to be saying that if a bunch of people are already violating the GPL, we are forced to do something other than

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Michael Poole
Erast Benson writes: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 12:22 -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 16:36 -0800, Alex Ross wrote: Do you plan to submit your port as an official port to Debian once it stabilizes? Yes. Wasn't this already discussed regarding CDDL being not

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 12:17 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: World is changed since then, and today we have Nexenta OS. This forces community to re-think/re-work all these CDDL vs. GPL issues. You seem to be saying that if a bunch of people are

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 15:26 -0500, Michael Poole wrote: Erast Benson writes: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 12:22 -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 16:36 -0800, Alex Ross wrote: Do you plan to submit your port as an official port to Debian once it stabilizes?

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Matthew Garrett
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently you misunderstood me. All I'm saying is that Debian community might want to embrace GNU/Solaris non-glibc port or reject it. To embrace, some core components, like dpkg, should be dual-licensed CDDL/GPL. Not every dpkg copyright holder is

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Hubert Chan
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:57:17 -0800, Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm not talking about DFSG to embrace CDDL entirely. CDDL is good ... Please look up the meaning of acronyms if you intend on using them. I do not think it means what you think

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 03 novembre 2005 à 12:57 -0800, Erast Benson a écrit : I'm not talking about DFSG to embrace CDDL entirely. CDDL is good enough for what it was invented - system runtime. To make CDDL-based ports possible with more/less pain and to avoid duplication of work, it should be enough to

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:14:11PM -0800, Erast Benson said On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 12:22 -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 16:36 -0800, Alex Ross wrote: Do you plan to submit your port as an official port to Debian once it stabilizes? Yes. Wasn't this

[Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Alex Ross
Michael Banck wrote: Do you plan to use debian-installer for installation? Yes. Do you plan to submit your port as an official port to Debian once it stabilizes? Yes. If so, do you plan to use Debian's mailing lists and bug tracking system for development? No. We have ours: svn,

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Banck wrote: If so, do you plan to use Debian's mailing lists and bug tracking system for development? No. We have ours: svn, Trac, and mailing lists. It's unlikely that you'll be accepted as an official Debian port unless you're willing to use the

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 01:14 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Banck wrote: If so, do you plan to use Debian's mailing lists and bug tracking system for development? No. We have ours: svn, Trac, and mailing lists. It's unlikely that you'll be

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 06:31:00PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 01:14 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: It's unlikely that you'll be accepted as an official Debian port unless you're willing to use the Debian bug tracking system. It's not reasonable to expect Debian

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If development is carried out within the Debian project then yes, it's likely that the Debian community would work on GNU/Solaris. See the kFreeBSD and hurd ports, for instance. But only with the licensing question sorted out first. -- To

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: on another hand, Ubuntu has its own tracking system, so GNU/Solaris is not the first one. Even though Ubuntu is GNU/Linux system... Ubuntu is not an official Debian Port. on another hand, GNU/Solaris uses different kernel and libc, which brings many

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ubuntu is not an official Debian Port. on another hand, GNU/Solaris uses different kernel and libc, which brings many non-Debian-related issues into play. There is also hurd or freebsd kernel ports for debian, so those projects are similiar. With

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 18:54 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ubuntu is not an official Debian Port. on another hand, GNU/Solaris uses different kernel and libc, which brings many non-Debian-related issues into play. There is also hurd or

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Joshua Cummings
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 21:04 -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 18:54 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ubuntu is not an official Debian Port. on another hand, GNU/Solaris uses different kernel and libc, which brings many

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FreeBSD kernel under BSD license and not GPL-compatible. You are incorrect. The BSG license most certainly is GPL-compatible. Native GNU libc do not make any difference since it is a part of system runtime which includes: kernel, libc, compiler, etc

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 06:31:00PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 01:14 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Banck wrote: If so, do you plan to use Debian's mailing lists and bug tracking system for development? No. We have

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Erast Benson
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 15:50 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 06:31:00PM -0800, Erast Benson wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 01:14 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Alex Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Banck wrote: If so, do you plan to use Debian's mailing lists

Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian based GNU/Solaris: pilot program]

2005-11-02 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 09:27:04PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Native GNU libc do not make any difference since it is a part of system runtime which includes: kernel, libc, compiler, etc (as per GPL). You use these quotation marks in the most