Daniel Burrows dburrows at debian.org writes:
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The purpose of this is to cross-examine Daniel's thoughts and bring new
thoughts to the surface. Daniel's thoughts are valid; however my
Hello
Just some quick notes related to this, without jumping in to the
discussion (yet?).
On 24 February 2013 01:28, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel Burrows dburrows at debian.org writes:
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On 02/23/2013 07:45 PM, Daniel Hartwig wrote:
Hello
Just some quick notes related to this, without jumping in to the
discussion (yet?).
On 24 February 2013 01:28, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel Burrows dburrows at debian.org writes:
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On 24 February 2013 08:56, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
Right, and that's why I proposed manipulating Apt and Dpkg such that they
can understand and behave within a system with multiple installed versions
managed in various places.
Thanks for clarifying so promptly.
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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:08:20PM +0600, Artyom Shalkhakov wrote:
Cite from the homepage:
Nix is a purely functional package manager. It allows multiple
Hi all, I've studied a bit NixOS and written something about its
problems in a recent paper [1] (last paragraph of section
3). Interestingly
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:57:09AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
problems in a recent paper [1] (last paragraph of section
snip
upgrading of cluster of machines all together) [2]. What they have in
Dangling references:
[1]
Hello,
Cite from the homepage:
Nix is a purely functional package manager. It allows multiple
versions of a package to be installed side-by-side, ensures that
dependency specifications are complete, supports atomic
upgrades and rollbacks, allows non-root users to install software,
and has
Artyom Shalkhakov wrote:
Hello,
Hello,
Nix is a purely functional package manager. It allows multiple
versions of a package to be installed side-by-side, ensures that
dependency specifications are complete, supports atomic
upgrades and rollbacks, allows non-root users to install software,
Hi Eugene,
2008/12/24 Eugene V. Lyubimkin jackyf.de...@gmail.com:
The claims that I think are valuable are:
- *all* dependencies of a package are automatically found by Nix,
no exceptions,
Hmm... Nix probably use libastral, doesn't it? Even for C/C++ programs there
is no way to 100%
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 05:17:28PM +0600, Artyom Shalkhakov wrote:
It looks like you completely misunderstood the idea, so lurk before
you post. Thanks.
You can't post a two-sentence summary of a new package manager to
debian-devel, say discuss and then shoot down replies by claiming the
person
Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 17:17 +0600, Artyom Shalkhakov a écrit :
It has nothing to do with our apt infrastructure, it doesn't
understand it and invented its own wheel. I think no way for Nix in Debian.
We
have excellent dpkg, we have not-so-excellent, but rather good apt, and
Artyom Shalkhakov wrote:
Hmm... Nix probably use libastral, doesn't it? Even for C/C++ programs there
is no way to 100% automatically determine entire list of runtime
libraries/tools needed for some particular program (consider runtime library
opening and all non-library dependencies).
This
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
If you want to do something useful, I suggest that you grab the
interesting ideas from nix (like binary deltas) and propose patches for
APT to implement them.
Debian already has binary deltas (debdelta), but it isn't
Hello.
While I was writing, Josselin Mouette said almost all I wanted to say,
but I'll add a little :)
2008/12/24 Artyom Shalkhakov artyom.shalkha...@gmail.com:
The claims that I think are valuable are:
- *all* dependencies of a package are automatically found by Nix,
no exceptions,
Hmm...
Sorry, I forgot to forward this to debian-devel.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Artyom Shalkhakov artyom.shalkha...@gmail.com
Date: 2008/12/24
Subject: Re: Adoption of Nix?
To: Eugene V. Lyubimkin jackyf.de...@gmail.com
2008/12/24 Eugene V. Lyubimkin jackyf.de...@gmail.com
Sorry, I forgot about the debian-devel for the second time. :(
-- Forwarded message --
From: Artyom Shalkhakov artyom.shalkha...@gmail.com
Date: 2008/12/24
Subject: Re: Adoption of Nix?
To: Всеволод Величко torkvem...@nigma.ru
Hi Vsevolod,
2008/12/24 Всеволод Величко torkvem
Artyom Shalkhakov wrote:
2008/12/24 Eugene V. Lyubimkin jackyf.de...@gmail.com:
Which means that find all dependencies with no exceptions is not true.
This is how Nix developers put it:
Runtime dependencies are found by scanning binaries for the hash parts
of Nix store paths (such as
Quoth Artyom Shalkhakov artyom.shalkha...@gmail.com, on 2008-12-24 17:17:28
+0600:
It looks like you completely misunderstood the idea, so lurk before
you post. Thanks.
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Hi.
2008/12/24 Artyom Shalkhakov artyom.shalkha...@gmail.com:
Well, as I see, it uses it's own package format, which is
wrapper-description around everything - source, deb or rpm. Does it
really have any sense?
Every problem in computer science can be solved by adding
a layer of
Yes, you are probably right: I don't understand how Nix may be useful for
Debian (and for GNU/Linux also).
That's too bad for you. Shallow thinking doesn't get you anywhere.
As promoter/recommender surely the onus is upon you to demonstrate:
1. Nix is good.
2. Nix is better than
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 18:55:20 Steve Kemp wrote:
Yes, you are probably right: I don't understand how Nix may be useful
for Debian (and for GNU/Linux also).
That's too bad for you. Shallow thinking doesn't get you anywhere.
As promoter/recommender surely the onus is upon you
On 12/24/08 10:55, Drake Wilson wrote:
Quoth Artyom Shalkhakov artyom.shalkha...@gmail.com, on 2008-12-24 17:17:28
+0600:
It looks like you completely misunderstood the idea, so lurk before
you post. Thanks.
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Hi there. As I'm sure everyone knows, I'm not exactly unbiased here
since I've done a lot of work on the apt system (although nix looks more
like a replacement for dpkg).
This is the same package manager that was posted on lambda-the-ultimate
a while back, right? Since you didn't provide a
In article 200812241947.08458.danc...@spnet.net you wrote:
Hm, Nix seems to be born in academia, and based on by someone's PhD thesis,
so
there might be some good ideas to consider out of it, but the whole story
smells like the promoter is trying to sell mercedeses to Daimler (i.e.
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