Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2010-05-30, brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx wrote: The difference is that those tools provide a reasonable level of functionality with free data. Weather information is in the public domain because there's no originality to it. Most programs that display lyrics or album

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Fernando Lemos
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de wrote: On 2010-05-30, brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx wrote: The difference is that those tools provide a reasonable level of functionality with free data.  Weather information is in the public domain because

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Christian Surchi
Il giorno lun, 31/05/2010 alle 09.27 -0300, Fernando Lemos ha scritto: xmame-sdl is in contrib, though. I find it hard to draw the line between main and contrib unless there's non-free depends, it's all very subjective. xmame-sdl is in non-free, IIRC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/31/2010 12:54 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On dim., 2010-05-30 at 21:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Clamz just moves some bits from Point A to Point B. I hope you don't use this as a definition of dfsg-free? Hardly. My (possibly flawed) thinking was originally raised here:

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread brian m. carlson
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 07:03:16AM +0200, sean finney wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 09:40:48PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: The difference is that those tools provide a reasonable level of functionality with free data. Weather information is in the public domain because there's no

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Michael Banck
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 05:13:51PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 07:03:16AM +0200, sean finney wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 09:40:48PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: The difference is that those tools provide a reasonable level of functionality with free data.

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Felix Geyer
On 31.05.2010 19:55, Michael Banck wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 05:13:51PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: I'll bite. amavis and spamassassin handle emails, and there are in fact emails that are free. CVS commit emails for free software projects are a great example of this. What

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Simon Josefsson
Michael Banck mba...@debian.org writes: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 05:13:51PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 07:03:16AM +0200, sean finney wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 09:40:48PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: The difference is that those tools provide a reasonable

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Felix Geyer
On 30.05.2010 23:40, brian m. carlson wrote: A very similar software is already in Debian main: Amarok contains two plugins that are able to download/stream music from Magnatune and MP3tunes; both are music stores. Amarok also plays music quite well without those. I never use Magnatune

clamz accepted in main [Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)]

2010-05-31 Thread Charles Plessy
In retrospect, I probably could have used a better word than difference. What I meant is that the package in question (clamz) is not in the same category as amarok. There can be legitimate debate on the issue for one, and no reasonable disagreement on the other. Dear all, for the record,

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Joey Hess
Philipp Kern wrote: Console emulators like zsnes are in main, I think because there used to be at least one free ROM it can be used with (be it useful or not). It would probably be more consistent with clamz having been accepted into main, to not require that emulators have a free rom in order

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Felix Geyer dijo [Sat, May 29, 2010 at 09:14:56PM +0200]: clamz [1] has been rejected from Debian NEW [2] some time ago. The FTP assistent that processed the package was of the opinion that it belongs to contrib instead of main because it's only useful to download non-free content. The

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/29/2010 09:47 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 19:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/29/2010 03:28 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 21:14 +0200, Felix Geyer wrote: clamz [1] has been rejected from Debian NEW [2] some time ago. The FTP assistent that processed

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-30 Thread Luca Niccoli
On 30 May 2010 04:47, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: I think the policy being applied is that if a package is only useful in conjunction with non-free data, it belongs in contrib (just as if it depends on some non-free library). I see a potential problem with this policy: say I

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-30 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Luca Niccoli lultimou...@gmail.com [2010-05-30 14:31]: I see a potential problem with this policy: say I write a DFSG-compliant media player, and I want to add the ability to download songs from Amazon; I then depend on clamz. But clamz is in contrib, so my media player must go into

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-30 Thread Luca Niccoli
On 30 May 2010 16:56, Martin Wuertele m...@debian.org wrote: You could suggest clamz und detect runtime if it is present. That would allow your package to go in main and still use the funtionality of clamz in case it was installed. Sure; what I wanted to point out (and I probably wasn't clear

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-30 Thread Felix Geyer
On 30.05.2010 04:47, Ben Hutchings wrote: I think the policy being applied is that if a package is only useful in conjunction with non-free data, it belongs in contrib (just as if it depends on some non-free library). Many applications use downloaded non-free content. For example

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-30 Thread brian m. carlson
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 08:09:52PM +0200, Felix Geyer wrote: On 30.05.2010 04:47, Ben Hutchings wrote: I think the policy being applied is that if a package is only useful in conjunction with non-free data, it belongs in contrib (just as if it depends on some non-free library). Many

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/30/2010 04:40 PM, brian m. carlson wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 08:09:52PM +0200, Felix Geyer wrote: On 30.05.2010 04:47, Ben Hutchings wrote: I think the policy being applied is that if a package is only useful in conjunction with non-free data, it belongs in contrib (just as if it

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-30 Thread sean finney
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 09:40:48PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: The difference is that those tools provide a reasonable level of functionality with free data. Weather information is in the public domain because there's no originality to it. Most programs that display lyrics or album covers

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-30 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On dim., 2010-05-30 at 21:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Clamz just moves some bits from Point A to Point B. I hope you don't use this as a definition of dfsg-free? Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-29 Thread Felix Geyer
clamz [1] has been rejected from Debian NEW [2] some time ago. The FTP assistent that processed the package was of the opinion that it belongs to contrib instead of main because it's only useful to download non-free content. The purpose of clamz is to download MP3 files after buying them from

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 21:14 +0200, Felix Geyer wrote: clamz [1] has been rejected from Debian NEW [2] some time ago. The FTP assistent that processed the package was of the opinion that it belongs to contrib instead of main because it's only useful to download non-free content. The purpose

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/29/2010 03:28 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 21:14 +0200, Felix Geyer wrote: clamz [1] has been rejected from Debian NEW [2] some time ago. The FTP assistent that processed the package was of the opinion that it belongs to contrib instead of main because it's only useful

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 19:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/29/2010 03:28 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 21:14 +0200, Felix Geyer wrote: clamz [1] has been rejected from Debian NEW [2] some time ago. The FTP assistent that processed the package was of the opinion that it

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: I think the policy being applied is that if a package is only useful in conjunction with non-free data, it belongs in contrib (just as if it depends on some non-free library). Should I move libwww-topica-perl to

Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)

2010-05-29 Thread Kartik Mistry
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: I think the policy being applied is that if a package is only useful in conjunction with non-free data, it belongs in contrib (just as if it depends on some non-free library). Should I move libwww-topica-perl to contrib?