Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-17 Thread Michael Cardenas
Here's an update. After consulting with debian-legal, I emailed Bigelow and Holmes tonight to ask them to reconsider the license they have chosen so that they can be included in debian. If anyone is interested, I can post that email here. I've ITP'd the one latin ttf font I know of which is

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:28:48PM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: ... 2001-12-21. Also, there is no license provided for the fonts. ... The fonts and the metatype software are gpl'ed. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer | lindows.com | hyperpoem.net Being is what it is. -

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and learning how to make our own tt fonts? Font creation is kind of a science. I'm really no expert but when I spend some time in TeX and Metafont some years ago I've learned that it

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 08:34:54AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and learning how to make our own tt fonts? Font creation is kind of a science. I'm really no expert but when I

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which is why it would be better for someone to donate their time and make some free as in speech fonts. I wonder if we could share this problem with the TeX community. Those people might have the same problem. Perhaps some Metafont to Truetype

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:48:06PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:01, Martin Sarsale wrote: Are there any 'opensource' font authors out there doing anthing interesting? Some GPL TT fonts: http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/README It also points to an application he

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:19:21AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:48:06PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: Some GPL TT fonts: http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/README Forget about it. My mistake: no TT. J -- Jesus Climent | Unix System Admin | Helsinki, Finland.

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:19:21AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: Are there any 'opensource' font authors out there doing anthing interesting? Some GPL TT fonts: http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/README It also points to an application he used to create them. These are not truetype

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Krzysztof Krzyzaniak
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:10:30AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: [..] I've contacted some people, to see if anyone knows of any public domain, high quality true type fonts. Also pfaedit seems like it might be able to generate good truetype fonts, but it's hinting code needs some work. There

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:10:30AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: My main concern at this point is that it may be infeasible to generate high quality truetype fonts without using apple's patented truetype instructions (which is only a small subset of instructions, but they are commonly used in

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:28:48PM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and learning how to make our own tt fonts? A good font is a work of art. Your suggestion can be paraphrased, how about just starting a project and learning how to

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and learning how to make our own tt fonts? A good font is a work of art. Your suggestion can be paraphrased, how about just starting a project and learning how to make our own sistine

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:10:08AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: AT I wonder if we could share this problem with the TeX community. AT Those people might have the same problem. Perhaps some Metafont to AT Truetype converter might do the trick??? Just an idea. MC I've contacted some people, to

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:36:42PM +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: Actually, I don't see why we should use TrueType fonts instead of Type1 fonts. There is a set of excellent Type1 fonts from URW included in gsfonts package under GPL; there is an extension of these fonts with Cyrillic glyphs by

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Miros/law Baran
15.08.2002 pisze Ben Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Can someone explain what is the problem with switching to Type1 altogether? Portability. Portability and the quality of the Type1 rasterizer in X, I'd say. Jubal -- [ Miros/law L Baran, baran-at-knm-org-pl, neg IQ, cert AI ] [ 0101010

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:09:35PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: You won't find out if there's good enough talent hiding inside you until you try and learn and try again. The first glyphs you'll do (or the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap. But you certainly won't produce a fine font if

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 10:15:30AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: BA But the pfaedit docs say that PfaEdit will degrade the appearance BA of most truetype fonts with the exception being those that are not BA hinted at all. Aha, that is why Valek had to manually adjust hinting. Well, this means

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:39:13PM +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: BA Portability. Can you elaborate? Which of Debian-supported platforms to not have Type1 fonts support, and why? You are focusing on the wrong problem. Application designers choose TrueType for portability. SDL

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: until you try and learn and try again. The first glyphs you'll do (or the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap. But you certainly won't produce a fine font if you give up before trying. Fine, try it. I am trying, only with a music font, as a

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Alan Shutko
Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you write a Free Software application that needs to display text, but you omit a good font, it's useless. So all text editors should come with their own font?! -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In a variety of flavors! The best way to love your

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:57:47PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: until you try and learn and try again. The first glyphs you'll do (or the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap. But you certainly won't produce a fine font if you give up before

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
As for quality of X Type1 rasterizer, I believe that it is a temporary problem. At least one Type1 renderer, gv, has no problems with visual quality, so this is not a fundamental flaw, just another challenge. To get the quality, gv uses antialiasing, doesn't it? But X core protocol doesn't

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-14 Thread Scott Dier
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:01, Martin Sarsale wrote: Since micro$oft stopped giving their true type fonts for free (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm), msttcorefonts is unusable :( It would be interesting to investigate either if a font author could be convinced to

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-14 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:48:06PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:01, Martin Sarsale wrote: Since micro$oft stopped giving their true type fonts for free (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm), msttcorefonts is unusable :( It would be

Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-13 Thread Martin Sarsale
Package: general Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-12 Severity: grave Tags: upstream Justification: renders package unusable Since micro$oft stopped giving their true type fonts for free (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm), msttcorefonts is unusable :( -- System

Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-13 Thread Junichi Uekawa
reassign 156503 msttcorefonts thanks Since micro$oft stopped giving their true type fonts for free (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm), msttcorefonts is unusable :( reassigning this bug to the appropriate package -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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