Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Julien Danjou
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-28 Severity: wishlist * Package name: mp32ogg Version : 0.11 Upstream Author : Nathan Walp [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://faceprint.com/software.phtml * License : Artistic License Description : Converts mp3

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:43:22PM +0200, Julien Danjou wrote: * Package name: mp32ogg * URL : http://faceprint.com/software.phtml Description : Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis I would hold the creation/upload of this package. After an easy check of the code (trivial) it

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Craig Dickson
Julien Danjou wrote: Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-28 Severity: wishlist * Package name: mp32ogg Version : 0.11 Upstream Author : Nathan Walp [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://faceprint.com/software.phtml * License : Artistic License

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:17, Craig Dickson wrote: Whenever the subject of mp3-vorbis (or wma-vorbis, or any other lossy codec to vorbis) transcoding comes up on the vorbis mailing list, the reaction from the vorbis developers and the more knowledgeable vorbis users is don't do it. Aside from the

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Julien Danjou
Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:57:03PM +0200, Jesus Climent a écrit: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:43:22PM +0200, Julien Danjou wrote: * Package name: mp32ogg * URL : http://faceprint.com/software.phtml Description : Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis I would hold the

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:16:07AM +1000, Reagan Blundell wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:57:03PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: After an easy check of the code (trivial) it is obvious it uses a decoder to transform the mp3 streams to ogg. Since the Thompson/Fraunhoffer guys have just

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Julien Danjou
Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:17:52AM -0700, Craig Dickson a écrit: Julien Danjou wrote: Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-28 Severity: wishlist * Package name: mp32ogg Version : 0.11 Upstream Author : Nathan Walp [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL :

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Reagan Blundell
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:46:21PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 02:16:07AM +1000, Reagan Blundell wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:57:03PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: After an easy check of the code (trivial) it is obvious it uses a decoder to transform the mp3

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Craig Dickson
Reagan Blundell wrote: However, if I decided to stop using MP3 decoders today, Why do you have to stop? You already have one. Keep using it until you don't need it anymore. In the meantime, gradually re-rip/encode your CDs one by one. Craig pgphngQCMQnYh.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Ben Burton
Maybe, but I think lots of people will have to convert mp3 to vorbis if mp3 decoder dispear from Debian. mp32ogg is the way to help us. But I still don't understand how we can have mp32ogg if mp3 decoders disappear from debian, since presumably one must decode the mp3 in order to convert it

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:59, Julien Danjou wrote: Maybe, but I think lots of people will have to convert mp3 to vorbis if mp3 decoder dispear from Debian. No they won't, they can keep their favourite mp3 player installed even though dselect will list it as obsolete, and it will keep working. We

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:21:42AM +1000, Ben Burton wrote: Maybe, but I think lots of people will have to convert mp3 to vorbis if mp3 decoder dispear from Debian. mp32ogg is the way to help us. But I still don't understand how we can have mp32ogg if mp3 decoders disappear from

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Julien Danjou
Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 07:22:49PM +0200, Russell Coker a écrit: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:59, Julien Danjou wrote: Maybe, but I think lots of people will have to convert mp3 to vorbis if mp3 decoder dispear from Debian. No they won't, they can keep their favourite mp3 player installed even

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Paul Dwerryhouse
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 02:29:22PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: I'm staying neutral on the quality issue. Yes, degrading mp3s into oggs sucks. Yes users should have a choice. I don't know which is more important in this case. Put it in and whack a f*cking huge warning message everytime the

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Richard Braakman
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 07:22:49PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: The users can then pay the $0.75 or not at their own choice. $0.75? From http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html Minimum Royalties Annual minimum royalties are payable upon signature and each following year in

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Julien Danjou
Le Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 09:18:41PM +0200, Paul Dwerryhouse a écrit: On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 02:29:22PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: I'm staying neutral on the quality issue. Yes, degrading mp3s into oggs sucks. Yes users should have a choice. I don't know which is more important in this

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Nathan Walp
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 06:26:24PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:17, Craig Dickson wrote: Whenever the subject of mp3-vorbis (or wma-vorbis, or any other lossy codec to vorbis) transcoding comes up on the vorbis mailing list, the reaction from the vorbis developers and

Re: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis

2002-08-28 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
In particular, it's important to note that transcoded MP3's, even _legally_ transcoded MP3's, should never ever ever be distributed, lest people associate the degradation in quality (even if it's something most people can't hear) with a problem in vorbis. On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 13:32, Julien

Re: Patent problems still exist [Was: Bug#158631: ITP: mp32ogg -- Converts mp3 file to Ogg Vorbis]

2002-08-28 Thread Joe Wreschnig
Regardless of the quality issues, the audio-mp3-ogg encoding process that this does still includes the mp3 process, which is patented. This means, since Ogg is deterministic, as is MP3, it's probably very easy for someone (say, Thomson) to prove a given Ogg was once an MP3. Once they can prove