Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-07 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Joey Hess] Probably making the print server task install it instead of lpr, which would have a side effect of making sure it's on CD#1 if it's not already. Probably also demoting the lpr package to optional and moving cups from there to standard. Possibly making lsb depend on part of cups

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-03 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 02:51:53AM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: For the vast majority of situations, it's incredibly easier to configure, and usually more reliable about output, than lprng. Implying that there are circumstances where CUPS will produce valid output, and lprng will not? I'm

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-03 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 01:44, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 02:51:53AM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: For the vast majority of situations, it's incredibly easier to configure, and usually more reliable about output, than lprng. Implying that there are circumstances where CUPS will

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-02 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:52:04PM +0100, Ross Burton wrote: As a random reply... deleted However, I am biased, as I package the GNOME CUPS packages... :) And as a random comment, it's really sad that a printing system would have any sort of dependency whatsoever on Gnome (or KDE, for that

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-02 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 23:31, Marc Wilson wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:52:04PM +0100, Ross Burton wrote: However, I am biased, as I package the GNOME CUPS packages... :) And as a random comment, it's really sad that a printing system would have any sort of dependency whatsoever on Gnome

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-02 Thread Andreas Barth
* Joe Wreschnig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030802 10:05]: CUPS is configurable via ordinary text configuration files like most Unix programs, a web interface (which is what I use), GNOME or KDE frontends, probably a number of miscelleaneous toolkit frontends, too... Personally, I'm surprised

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:35:13AM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote: FWIW, I've had very good experiences with the CUPS in unstable, so I'd not object to this. OTOH, installing it without it being 'default' is already quite trivial. What would this change entail, exactly? So i had/have either in

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On pe, 2003-08-01 at 12:32, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: It is a good solution for any user level with most common printers/needs, thus it should be the default (IMHO). Do we actually need a default print service at all? Mail is much more fundamental, for example, but lots of

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 02:49:59PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Do we actually need a default print service at all? Mail is much more fundamental, for example, but lots of computers these days don't have a printer attached at all. We needn't install a print service by default but if someone

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Joey Hess
Keegan Quinn wrote: FWIW, I've had very good experiences with the CUPS in unstable, so I'd not object to this. OTOH, installing it without it being 'default' is already quite trivial. What would this change entail, exactly? Probably making the print server task install it instead of lpr,

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-08-01 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:44:17AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. On the other hand, while

CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system. URL:http://www.cups.org Any reason not to change the default?

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:38:55PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system.

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:44, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. On the other hand, while lprng was anything

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Thu, Jul 31, 2003, à 09:44:17AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz a écrit: The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less functional; and the documentation was entirely inadequate. Well, while what you describe

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Antony Gelberg
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:38:55PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system.

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:52:04PM +0100, Ross Burton wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 14:44, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: The last time I tried to use CUPS, I found it to be so user friendly that I couldn't get it to do anything useful. Very pretty, less functional; and the documentation was

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:00, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: if only gnome-cups-manager wasn't leaking memory like a CPU leaks heat...) Terribly sorry about this. It's only gnome-cups-icon which leaks like mad, so you can kill that and use eggcups instead (looks almost identical). I'll be removing

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Thu, Jul 31, 2003, à 03:09:15PM +0100, Ross Burton a écrit: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:00, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: if only gnome-cups-manager wasn't leaking memory like a CPU leaks heat...) Terribly sorry about this. It's only gnome-cups-icon which leaks like mad, so you can kill that

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Keegan Quinn
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:38:55PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I believe it would be a good idea if the default print system in the next release of Debian (Sarge) is changed to CUPS. CUPS is a more complete, more userfriendly and RFC complient printing system. FWIW, I've had very good

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Cyrille! You wrote: I'm mostly using its lpr-compatible command-line interface. So am I. To bad it isn't lpr compatible at all (at least not lprng-lpr). -- Kind regards, ++ | Bas Zoetekouw | GPG key:

Re: CUPS should be the default print service in Debian/Sarge

2003-07-31 Thread Alan Shutko
Bas Zoetekouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So am I. To bad it isn't lpr compatible at all (at least not lprng-lpr). Well, lprng isn't lpr... but if there are clienty things you want, you could probably use lprng's clients with CUPS's lpr server. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the