Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-07-24 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:30:36AM +0200, José Luis Tallón wrote: From what was said in this thread, a quite feasible solution could be: - For Squeeze: a package ntpdate which depends on rdate and provides a wrapper script, used to emulate ntpdate's main functionality (set the system's

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-07-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Jon Dowland writes (Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate): On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:30:36AM +0200, José Luis Tallón wrote: - For Squeeze+1: just drop it Why would we ever need to drop it ? At some point, sqwalk on STDERR on invocation about its deprecated-ness? or is that a step too

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-07-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-04-24 13:53, Frans Pop wrote: On Friday 24 April 2009, Frans Pop wrote: Florian Lohoff wrote: rdate ist not a replacement for ntpdate - it does not use the ntp protocol but the time protocol (builtin inetd) - So making ntpdate depend on rdate is not a solution as it changes the

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-25 Thread José Luis Tallón
Florian Lohoff wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:30:36AM +0200, José Luis Tallón wrote: - For Squeeze: a package ntpdate which depends on rdate and provides a wrapper script, used to emulate ntpdate's main functionality (set the system's clock) in terms of rdate and mark it as

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:30:36 +0200, José Luis Tallón jltal...@adv-solutions.net wrote: - For Squeeze: a package ntpdate which depends on rdate and provides a wrapper script, used to emulate ntpdate's main functionality (set the system's clock) in terms of rdate and mark it as deprecated

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-24 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:30:36AM +0200, José Luis Tallón wrote: - For Squeeze: a package ntpdate which depends on rdate and provides a wrapper script, used to emulate ntpdate's main functionality (set the system's clock) in terms of rdate and mark it as deprecated - For Squeeze+1:

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-24 Thread Frans Pop
Florian Lohoff wrote: rdate ist not a replacement for ntpdate - it does not use the ntp protocol but the time protocol (builtin inetd) - So making ntpdate depend on rdate is not a solution as it changes the protocol and i dont think all ntp servers also open/support the time protocol. rdate

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 24 April 2009, Frans Pop wrote: Florian Lohoff wrote: rdate ist not a replacement for ntpdate - it does not use the ntp protocol but the time protocol (builtin inetd) - So making ntpdate depend on rdate is not a solution as it changes the protocol and i dont think all ntp

Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-23 Thread Peter Eisentraut
As described in bug #514318 and elsewhere, the upstream NTP Project has deprecated the ntpdate program a long time ago, and it may be time to drop it from the Debian distribution. Most of the functionality of ntpdate is now provided by ntpd (stepping the clock without threshold, stepping the

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-23 Thread Stefan Ott
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 17:45, Peter Eisentraut pet...@debian.org wrote: Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better ask here for objections. I still use it when a system's clock is way off and I just want it to be set to the right time, right now. I guess there

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-23 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 23 Apr 2009, Stefan Ott wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 17:45, Peter Eisentraut pet...@debian.org wrote: Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better ask here for objections. I still use it when a system's clock is way off and I just want it to

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-23 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Peter Eisentraut wrote: As described in bug #514318 and elsewhere, the upstream NTP Project has deprecated the ntpdate program a long time ago, and it may be time to drop it from the Debian distribution. Most of the functionality of ntpdate is now provided by ntpd

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 23, Peter Eisentraut pet...@debian.org wrote: Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better ask here for objections. If it's going to removed from the upstream package then we should follow. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-23 Thread Harald Braumann
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:19:07 +0200 Stefan Ott ste...@ott.net wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 17:45, Peter Eisentraut pet...@debian.org wrote: Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better ask here for objections. I still use it when a system's clock is way

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-23 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Peter Eisentraut (pet...@debian.org): Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better ask here for objections. Would there be a possibility to prove some kind of wrapper for those among our users who might have various local stuff that are using ntpdate ?

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-23 Thread José Luis Tallón
Christian Perrier wrote: Quoting Peter Eisentraut (pet...@debian.org): Nevertheless, since ntpdate used to be quite popular, I figured I'd better ask here for objections. Would there be a possibility to prove some kind of wrapper for those among our users who might have various local

Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate

2009-04-23 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article 20090423163842.ge7...@anguilla.noreply.org you wrote: I regularly* use ntpdate -u -q -d (unpriv, query, debug). It's useful for debugging or just querying other ntp servers. Does the ntpd suite provide anything with similar functionality? I think ntpdc can provide most of that: $