Re: Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-26 Thread Niels Thykier
Sam Hartman: >> "Niels" == Niels Thykier writes: > > Niels> If the project consensus of this discussion is aligned with > Niels> the belief that we should block decentralized volunteer work > Niels> on the transition, I will respect the decision. > > I was really frustrated

Re: Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-26 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2021-08-25 Niels Thykier wrote: [...] > As I understand it, the "have usrmerge package patch the dpkg database" > approach will only work if we ensure that each and every package stop > using / in bookworm+1. Hello, you missed the second part of the "plan". Editing dpkg database syncs the db

Re: Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-26 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Niels" == Niels Thykier writes: Niels> If the project consensus of this discussion is aligned with Niels> the belief that we should block decentralized volunteer work Niels> on the transition, I will respect the decision. I was really frustrated reading that, and I hope that

Re: Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-25 Thread Niels Thykier
Simon Richter: > Hi, > > On 25.08.21 21:45, Sam Hartman wrote: > >> The dpkg maintainer hasn't been happy with the discussions here, and >> I think facilitating to a level where Guillem is part of the >> consensus is beyond my skill. > > The discussion so far has been around the question

Re: Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-25 Thread Niels Thykier
Sam Hartman: >> "Niels" == Niels Thykier writes: > > Niels> As I understand it, the issue does not depend on whether > Niels> "usrmerge" is run before or after installing the "/lib" > Niels> version of "foo". On that assumption, running "usrmerge" as > Niels> a part of the

Re: Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-25 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 25.08.21 21:45, Sam Hartman wrote: The dpkg maintainer hasn't been happy with the discussions here, and I think facilitating to a level where Guillem is part of the consensus is beyond my skill. The discussion so far has been around the question whether there is actually a problem and

Re: Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-25 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Niels" == Niels Thykier writes: Niels> As I understand it, the issue does not depend on whether Niels> "usrmerge" is run before or after installing the "/lib" Niels> version of "foo". On that assumption, running "usrmerge" as Niels> a part of the upgrade and "cleaning up"

Re: Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-25 Thread Niels Thykier
Sam Hartman: > > TL;DR: Should we hold off on moving stuff from / to /usr in packages > until we develop our plan? > If so, how do we communicate that to people? > >> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: > > Russ> Simon Richter writes: > >> It is less nonsensical because usrmerge

Re: Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Sam Hartman writes: > However, Simon has raised what I think is a credible argument that it > is harmful to perform both / -> /usr transitions and to move files > between packages in the same release. > My take away from that is that it may be harmful to move a bunch of > stuff from / -> /usr

Debhelper and /lib/systemd vs /usr/lib/systemd

2021-08-23 Thread Sam Hartman
TL;DR: Should we hold off on moving stuff from / to /usr in packages until we develop our plan? If so, how do we communicate that to people? > "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes: Russ> Simon Richter writes: >> It is less nonsensical because usrmerge exists, since we >> presumably