Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-06-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 11:59:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: and he will try to harm any other people is someone tell him that it helps USA. His approach is completely nationalistic. You cannot understand him and agree with him until he drops this attitude or until you adopt it.

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-06-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 07:39:07PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Notice that the US governement never said that was their aim, they said Iraq was dangerous because they have mass destruction weapons and support terrorism, which has turned out to be blatant lie. The french governement opposed this,

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-06-03 Thread Miles Bader
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Not saying you're a nationalist, Manoj.) Even worse, you're comparing him to Ayn Rand! -Miles -- I distrust a research person who is always obviously busy on a task. --Robert Frosch, VP, GM Research

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-28 Thread Daniel O'Neill
Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans coming into the country. Two of the

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-26 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Sun, 25 May 2003, Sven Luther wrote: So let me get this straight. Instead of a country where people are occasionally subject to bureaucratic hassles, (assuming Russell and Geordies' sources amount to anything more than innuendo which is not clear.) you would rather go to a place where

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-26 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: The West coast may be more expensive to get to for foreign visitors. But I like the other suggestion of Florida. Lot's of cheap flights to there. i live on the west coast (san diego, specifically), but if there was a debconf held in southern florida (fort lauderdale,

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-26 Thread Miles Bader
John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: this is entirely off topic for -devel, let's move it to -politics or -curiosa or somewhere else more appropriate. But you just _had_ to get your bitter little rant in first, huh? -Miles -- Ich bin ein Virus. Mach' mit und kopiere mich in Deine

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-26 Thread Adam McKenna
On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 10:03:38AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: that north america contains not one, but three countries: Candada, USA, and Mexico Candada? Is that near Canadia? --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 12:05:02AM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2003, Sven Luther wrote: So let me get this straight. Instead of a country where people are occasionally subject to bureaucratic hassles, (assuming Russell and Geordies' sources amount to anything more

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-26 Thread Geordie Birch
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 03:36:39PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Sat, 24 May 2003, Adam Majer wrote: PS. Personally, I would prefer to travel for a DebConf in Cuba than in US. Really. So let me get this straight. Instead of a country where people are occasionally subject to

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 09:57:50PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: PS. Personally, I would prefer to travel for a DebConf in Cuba than in US. Really. Who wouldn't? You got the sun, the beaches and the ocean... what more could you ask for than a debconf on a beach? -- Duncan Findlay

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 24 May 2003 08:43:12 +1000 (EST), Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 22 May 2003, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2003 22:39:02 +1000, Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:06, Miles Bader wrote: You mean the iraq war? What's the point?

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 23 May 2003 20:01:48 -0500, Gunnar Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not at all. I know that if your economy suffers, mine suffers doubly so. Mexico is so heavily dependent on the US economy that if you enter a mild recession we are in crisis... And it is not nice at all. The

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 09:57:50PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: PS. Personally, I would prefer to travel for a DebConf in Cuba than in US. Really. Who wouldn't? You got the sun, the beaches and the ocean... what more could you

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sunday 25 May 2003 07:27, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Remember, the rest of the world does *not* owe you and yours a living. Quite. But if they take delibrate action to hurt _any_ country, or its economy, they shall have to live with the consequences. And what is US trying to do to

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Saturday 24 May 2003 00:43, Matthew Palmer wrote: * The rest of the world is sick to death of US imperialism; * The US government ignores world opinion and does it's thing; * The rest of the world puts pressure on the US people to change things, since they've at least got half a chance to

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Mathieu Roy
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Sunday 25 May 2003 07:27, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Remember, the rest of the world does *not* owe you and yours a living. Quite. But if they take delibrate action to hurt _any_ country, or its economy, they shall have to live with the

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 25 May 2003 12:20:45 +0200, Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Sunday 25 May 2003 07:27, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Remember, the rest of the world does *not* owe you and yours a living. Quite. But if they take delibrate action to hurt

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 11:59:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Have you seen US developers try to raise common cause here to boycott French products and conferences in France (because of what some consider their silly stnace in removing a dictator from power)? No? How many of you

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Mathieu Roy
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On 25 May 2003 12:20:45 +0200, Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Sunday 25 May 2003 07:27, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Remember, the rest of the world does *not* owe you and yours a living.

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Fri, 23 May 2003, Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2003, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: My only objection to a conference in the US is the weather is miserable. Which part of the US? Sorry I should have said Northeast US. It's absolutely miserable here. Surely the weather in Los Angeles

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Sun, 25 May 2003, Sven Luther wrote: Notice that the US governement never said that was their aim, The aim is Kralizec -- the typhoon struggle. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Sat, 24 May 2003, Adam Majer wrote: PS. Personally, I would prefer to travel for a DebConf in Cuba than in US. Really. So let me get this straight. Instead of a country where people are occasionally subject to bureaucratic hassles, (assuming Russell and Geordies' sources amount to

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Adam Majer
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 03:36:39PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Sat, 24 May 2003, Adam Majer wrote: PS. Personally, I would prefer to travel for a DebConf in Cuba than in US. Really. So let me get this straight. Instead of a country where people are occasionally subject to

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 03:36:39PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Sat, 24 May 2003, Adam Majer wrote: PS. Personally, I would prefer to travel for a DebConf in Cuba than in US. Really. So let me get this straight. Instead of a country where people are occasionally subject to

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-25 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, 25 May 2003, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:06, Miles Bader wrote: You mean the iraq war? What's the point? How is avoiding the U.S. going to help anything, regardless of how strongly you feel about the U.S. governments acts or positions? When tourism

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Russell Coker
On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:51, Alan Shutko wrote: The citizens of the US have a little more power than the rest of the world, in that you have a *vote* as to who gets to fuck the rest of the world. Well, didn't work that way last time... They got their second choice. --

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 03:14:48PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: My only objection to a conference in the US is the weather is miserable. I want to go somewhere warm! Debian MiniConf @ Linux.conf.au, January 2004. http://conf.linux.org.au/. Speakers lined up for the main conference (which

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 06:15:48PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Hi Greg, Now that you've got this release out, have you given any thought to the message I sent earlier about merging gdb server versions? Kindly get this on-topic shit out of this off-topic thread. ;-) -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread René Seindal
On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 08:55:31PM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: This doesn't mean that we should not have a Debian conference in North America. I'm sure there are many North American DDs who'd like to meet more DDs in person. Having a conference in the US or Canada is not an endorsement of US

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Bob Hilliard
Please take all of these political screeds off -devel!! Regards. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palm City, FL 34990 USA GPG Key ID: 390D6559

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Ed Cogburn
Russell Coker wrote: On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:51, Alan Shutko wrote: The citizens of the US have a little more power than the rest of the world, in that you have a *vote* as to who gets to fuck the rest of the world. Well, didn't work that way last time... They got their second choice. I never

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Russell Coker
On Sun, 25 May 2003 02:24, Ed Cogburn wrote: Well, didn't work that way last time... They got their second choice. I never chose Little Napolean and he wasn't on my alternate list either. Something between 49% and 50% of US voters wanted the Shrub as president. Please stop assuming

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't assume that everyone agrees, just the 49.X% that voted for him. This figure is not as meaningful as it might seem; we still use a non-preferential voting system, in which votes for non-mainstream candidates are effectively wasted. :-/ The most

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Aaron M. Ucko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030519 04:26]: What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? I would rather not come.

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Sun, May 25, 2003, Andreas Schuldei wrote: What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? I would rather not come. Neither would I. Given what happened to Sklyarov, I don't fancy going to the USA at all. And like many others, I won't object, I merely won't attend. Sam.

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Geordie Birch
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 03:32:57AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: For avoiding entering the US there are better reasons such as the following: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1689.htm May 20, 2003. French reporters covering Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) arrested, forcibly

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-24 Thread Adam Majer
On Sat, May 24, 2003 at 07:46:53PM -0400, Geordie Birch wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 03:32:57AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: For avoiding entering the US there are better reasons such as the following: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1689.htm May 20, 2003. French

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Marc Singer
Perhaps we can look at this a different way. I haven't read anyone voicing the opinion that GWB (can't say the name of the beast out loud) is a 'good fellow'. I'm supposing that all of us agree that he's a snake-oil salesmen of the odious kind, interested most in lining his pockets and the

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Marc Singer
(Unintentionally, I first sent the reply to you directly.) On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 02:09:24PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: Incidentally North America != USA. And your point is, what? A Canadian conference would be in North America and satisfy the objections of people who don't like the US,

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 08:55:31PM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: Perhaps we can look at this a different way. I haven't read anyone voicing the opinion that GWB (can't say the name of the beast out loud) is a 'good fellow'. Probably because it's completely off topic for this mailing list. Take it

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Aaron M. Ucko wrote: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans coming into the country. Two of the people I

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Ed Cogburn
Martin Schulze wrote: Aaron M. Ucko wrote: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans coming into the country. Two of the people

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Alan Shutko
Glenn McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 22 May 2003 12:20:39 -0500 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me clue all of you in: anyone who takes a stand and tries to hurt the US economy, I see as a taking action inimical to me, and my loved ones, and I do *NOT* see

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Marc Singer wrote: (Unintentionally, I first sent the reply to you directly.) On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 02:09:24PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: Incidentally North America != USA. And your point is, what? that north america contains not one, but three countries: Candada, USA, and Mexico

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 23 May 2003 12:21:05 +1000, Glenn McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 22 May 2003 12:20:39 -0500 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me clue all of you in: anyone who takes a stand and tries to hurt the US economy, I see as a taking action inimical to me, and my loved

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 22 May 2003 20:55:31 -0700, Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Perhaps we can look at this a different way. I haven't read anyone voicing the opinion that GWB (can't say the name of the beast out loud) is a 'good fellow'. I'm supposing that all of us agree that he's a snake-oil

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 22 May 2003 12:43:22 -0500, Gunnar Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It may be too little if only one person does it... But I know *MANY* people who simply will avoid (to de extent possible in Mexico, at least) buying any American goods. In my particular cas -and I think many other

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 23 May 2003 12:38:09 +1000, Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 23 May 2003 03:20, Manoj Srivastava wrote: You are taking personal actions inimical to the standard of living of me and my loved ones in retaliation for actions by my government (which I have little control

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Marc Singer
On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 10:03:38AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Marc Singer wrote: (Unintentionally, I first sent the reply to you directly.) On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 02:09:24PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: Incidentally North America != USA. And your point is, what? that

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Amaya
Stephen Frost dijo: Those who have concerns or political issues need not attend but that should not stop the conference from happening if there are enough people who are interested. Absolutely true, but I found Canada much mor affordable than the States last summer ;-) -- I would

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Matt Ryan
If your countrymen share that sort of attitute it explains why the USA is in so many wars. Yeah. We rarely suffer fools gladly. Stop it, you're killing me. People from the USA describing others as fools. One only has to look at the dross in US newspapers and TV news bulletins to understand

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Mathieu Roy
My government may do things in a fashion that could be improved (to put it mildly), but as a people, we are generally benevolent, until something impinges on our consciousness and makes us take notice. And given our collective attention span, it takes a lot. I'm not a DD but I

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Thu, 22 May 2003, Marc Singer wrote: Perhaps we can look at this a different way. I haven't read anyone voicing the opinion that GWB (can't say the name of the beast out loud) is a 'good fellow'. Well since you asked. I think GWB is a 'good fellow'. I'm supposing that all of us agree

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 07:07:19PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: If your countrymen share that sort of attitute it explains why the USA is in so many wars. Yeah. We rarely suffer fools gladly. Stop it, you're killing me. People from the USA describing others as fools. One only has to look

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Jarno Elonen
That's funny considering just how many people are risking their LIVES to get here. Then again, maybe its not, maybe its an insult to the ones who've died trying to get here over the years. I don't think not wanting to go somewhere is an insult to other people who do want to go there. The

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 03:14:48PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2003, Marc Singer wrote: Perhaps we can look at this a different way. I haven't read anyone voicing the opinion that GWB (can't say the name of the beast out loud) is a 'good fellow'. Well since you

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Matt Ryan
Michael Banck wrote: /me invokes azeem's law[0]. This thread has ended. [0] Whenever Matt Ryan enters a Flamewar, no more non-value can be added to it and therefore the thread will die. I'm not sure why you see my input as non-value? Surely its not the fact that a bunch of tightly wound geeks

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread geordie
On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 12:10:35PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2003 12:38:09 +1000, Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: PPS Be grateful that you have more control over your government than I have over mine. My government obeys yours. So you can't control your

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 23 May 2003, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: My only objection to a conference in the US is the weather is miserable. Which part of the US? Surely the weather in Los Angeles isn't miserable... unless you consider the total absense of weather to be miserable. I want to go somewhere warm! 107F

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread David Nusinow
On Fri, May 23, 2003 at 03:14:48PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: My only objection to a conference in the US is the weather is miserable. I want to go somewhere warm! You want warm? Come out to Southern California, Florida, or Hawaii for warm weather pretty much the whole year 'round. We don't

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, 22 May 2003, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2003 22:39:02 +1000, Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:06, Miles Bader wrote: You mean the iraq war? What's the point? How is avoiding the U.S. going to help anything, regardless of how strongly you

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Alan Shutko
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The citizens of the US have a little more power than the rest of the world, in that you have a *vote* as to who gets to fuck the rest of the world. Well, didn't work that way last time... -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I am the rocks. Looking

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Philip Charles
On Fri, 23 May 2003, Alan Shutko wrote: Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The citizens of the US have a little more power than the rest of the world, in that you have a *vote* as to who gets to fuck the rest of the world. Well, didn't work that way last time... Maybe the US

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-23 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Fri, May 23, 2003 at 12:05:08AM -0500]: It is easy to take actions secure in the feeling that there are no consequences (which seems to be part of your complaint against my goverment). Not at all. I know that if your economy suffers, mine suffers doubly so.

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 22:07, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: [I've already asked a few relevant individuals about this, but am opening it up to the list at their suggestion.] I've recently been in touch with somebody (a lawyer and professor concerned with government open source policy) who is

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Miles Bader
Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don't hold the conference in the U.S. I am a Canadian who has not stepped foot on American soil since your government declared it was at war. You mean the iraq war? What's the point? How is avoiding the U.S. going to help anything, regardless

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 04:06:17PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don't hold the conference in the U.S. I am a Canadian who has not stepped foot on American soil since your government declared it was at war. You mean the iraq war? What's the

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Miles Bader
Hi Greg, Now that you've got this release out, have you given any thought to the message I sent earlier about merging gdb server versions? Here it is again in case you've forgotten: Hi, The current version of gdbserver in uClinux-dist only works on the m68k. In my v850-specific version of

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:06, Miles Bader wrote: You mean the iraq war? What's the point? How is avoiding the U.S. going to help anything, regardless of how strongly you feel about the U.S. governments acts or positions? When tourism goes down the hotel, entertainment, and airline industries

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Simon Law ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Please don't hold the conference in the U.S. I am a Canadian who has not stepped foot on American soil since your government declared it was at war. If we have a sponsor and there are enough interested parties to warrent it I think we should do it.

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 10:39:02PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:06, Miles Bader wrote: You mean the iraq war? What's the point? How is avoiding the U.S. going to help anything, regardless of how strongly you feel about the U.S. governments acts or positions?

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Mathieu Roy
Emile van Bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Hi, On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 10:39:02PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:06, Miles Bader wrote: You mean the iraq war? What's the point? How is avoiding the U.S. going to help anything, regardless of how strongly you

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Mathieu Roy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Both points of view make sense. Fact is selecting a location for an event which is outside USA seems a good compromise for everybody. People that do not want to go to USA are not forced to, others that do not think USA should be avoided would surely

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 23 May 2003 01:06, Mathieu Roy wrote: If the US economy stays down long enough then the current government won't last. Rhetoric about imaginary enemies in Iraq doesn't satisfy people who lose their jobs because of the economy sucking. Hm, as could be seen in Iraq, boycotts

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 22 May 2003 22:39:02 +1000, Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:06, Miles Bader wrote: You mean the iraq war? What's the point? How is avoiding the U.S. going to help anything, regardless of how strongly you feel about the U.S. governments acts or

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 12:17:32PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: As one of the 200+ developers in the USA I don't feel it should be avoided and I feel quite out in the cold most of the time when these conferences come around because I don't have the funds to go elsewhere. I don't see any problem

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Joey Hess
Stephen Frost wrote: I don't see any problem with having conferences in the USA, or other places for that matter, provided there are enough people who will go to warrent it and there is someone willing to sponsor it. Lots of people might not be willing to go to the USA for political reasons,

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 05:06:24PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Emile van Bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 10:39:02PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:06, Miles Bader wrote: You mean the iraq war? What's the point? How is avoiding the

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Miles Bader dijo [Thu, May 22, 2003 at 04:06:17PM +0900]: Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don't hold the conference in the U.S. I am a Canadian who has not stepped foot on American soil since your government declared it was at war. You mean the iraq war? What's the

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It's really not any more expensive to travel to Toronto or Vancouver than it is to travel a similar distance inside the US[1]. Once you get there you'll find that the conference is cheaper since the Canadian dollar is (still) weaker than the US dollar.

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Jarno Elonen
As other people have said: I'm not going, but I don't object to a conference in the US per se. Same here. Even if I had the money to attend, I wouldn't like to travel to the US because of the new copyright and anti-terrorist laws. Still, I think it's a good idea to arrange a conference for

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Thu, 22 May 2003 12:20:39 -0500 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me clue all of you in: anyone who takes a stand and tries to hurt the US economy, I see as a taking action inimical to me, and my loved ones, and I do *NOT* see that as friendly action. What you say is

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Miles Bader
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I know of approixmatly zero Americans who have reason to boycott Canada. Er, well. I doubt there's a government in existance that hasn't done something objectionable enough to piss off a foreigner somewhere (e.g., recent european attempts to export

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-22 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 23 May 2003 03:20, Manoj Srivastava wrote: You are taking personal actions inimical to the standard of living of me and my loved ones in retaliation for actions by my government (which I have little control over), and you expect me to roll over and congratulate you all on

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-21 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do we get from that sponsor? Conference rooms, network, accomodation, food, flights and tshirts? His response: } We would provide the conference facilities and try to get accomodations with } some LUG members. There may be more, but I need to

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* (Aaron M. Ucko) | Two of the people I originally contacted said this too, but always in | the third person. I ask again, who on this list actually still feels | this way? As other people have said: I'm not going, but I don't object to a conference in the US per se. -- Tollef Fog Heen

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-21 Thread Simon Law
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Joe Drew
On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 22:07, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Marc Singer
For those reasons, I am planning to organise Debconf 4 in Vancouver (or maybe somewhere else, if there's a lot of hate for vancouver) sometime in the summer of 2004. Yipee!

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans coming into the country. Two of the people I

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2003-05-20 at 20:25, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Two of the people I originally contacted said this too, but always in the third person. I ask again, who on this list actually still feels this way? I do. These days I won't travel to the US even if somebody would pay me to.

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-20 Thread Roland Mas
Aaron M. Ucko (2003-05-20 13:25:47 -0400) : Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? If we're doing let's have a conf where we normally don't how about we have it on the US's east coast aswell. I'd personally argue for the nothern Virginia are myself. Too many conferences

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-19 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Aaron M. Ucko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030519 04:26]: * As mentioned, we have an enthusiastic sponsor lined up, which is a definite plus. What do we get from that sponsor? Conference rooms, network, accomodation, food, flights and tshirts?

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-19 Thread Stephen Frost
* Aaron M. Ucko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? I'm all for it, and GWU would be most excellent in my view. Of course, I live just outside DC... ;) Stephen pgpSnD1TuI4Jx.pgp Description: PGP signature

RE: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-19 Thread Michael Tindal
-Original Message- From: Brian Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:05 AM To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? If we're doing let's have a conf where we normally

Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-18 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
[I've already asked a few relevant individuals about this, but am opening it up to the list at their suggestion.] I've recently been in touch with somebody (a lawyer and professor concerned with government open source policy) who is interested in sponsoring a Debian conference here in Washington,

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-18 Thread Ben Collins
What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? If we're doing let's have a conf where we normally don't how about we have it on the US's east coast aswell. I'd personally argue for the nothern Virginia are myself. Too many conferences are held on the US's West coast, and if

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