On Wednesday 27 January 1999, at 14 h 40, the keyboard of Paul Seelig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, i currently don't have any access to the sources of the boot
floppies and therefore don't know about the TODO list's contents.
You can get the last version by CVS:
:ext:[EMAIL
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 10:08:40AM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Wednesday 27 January 1999, at 14 h 40, the keyboard of Paul Seelig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What i'd like to see is something like profiles/Textprocessing for
the writing people containing the TeX system and
On Thursday 28 January 1999, at 11 h 23, the keyboard of Christian Meder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I remember I made a pretty complete TeX profile when I created the profiles
for hamm. Isn't it there anymore ?
There is a TeX *task* (not a profile) of 201 Mb (it includes all the
dependencies,
Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 01:32:28PM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote:
I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the
installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good.
Getting the base system on is easy for someone
On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 09:33:16AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
hamm was released with a pre-selections wrapper, where you could chose
certain sets of pre-selected packages. it works, but could use some
improvement and probably needs to be updated for slink - there's a good
place for you to
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:00:06PM +0100, Paul Seelig wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Steve Shorter wrote:
Since when has the purpose of debian been to appease the interests
of the mass of unskilled consumers? There are lots of dists that are
trying to do that. I'm sure they will do a good
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 07:14:35PM +, thomas lakofski wrote:
As an experienced Debian user, I'll second these sentiments. Since
buzz I've been waiting for the Debian installation process to become
a (as it should be) 30 minute process, hopefully with some tools
included for mass
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:51:25PM +, thomas lakofski wrote:
OK, since it seems that this kind of thing will probably only happen in a
commercial context, maybe it would make sense to arrange commercial
sponsorship of Debian in a bigger way.
I did a fresh install yesterday from a hamm CD (our free
CheapBytes CD). I chose the scientifc workstation option. This
caused a minor nightmare. The only reason I was able to complete the
install is because I have a few hundred hours experience in
maintaining debian systems. I really
I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the
installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good.
Getting the base system on is easy for someone who knows what is going on.
Probably not for a beginner.
John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tucson,AZ
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 01:32:28PM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote:
I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the
installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good.
Getting the base system on is easy for someone who knows what is going on.
Probably not for a
On 24 Jan 1999, John Lapeyre wrote:
I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the
installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good.
Getting the base system on is easy for someone who knows what is going on.
Probably not for a beginner.
As someone who
On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 10:38:54AM +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 20:26:12 +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
i mostly agree but wouldn't put it anywhere near that strongly.
I would. Ben's phrasing strongly reminds me of Robert A. Heinlein;
especially of the concept of
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 12:48:47PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
(BTW: TANSTAAFL was Larry Niven, not Heinlein IIRC)
Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, I thought. Actually I never
read it but it was a favourite of some people in the local
FidoNet region a few years back (as Craig might
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 04:10:52PM +0100, Paul Seelig wrote:
The first thing a future Debian entrepreneur interested in financial
success would have to address would be to fix all those things which
we Debian propeller heads have preferred to mostly neglect up until
now: ease of install and
On 23 Jan 1999, Paul Seelig wrote:
and annoyances they'd have with Debian. They won't care about
Debian's rather unaccessable technical superiority if the installation
hinders them from getting the beast at least easily up and running and
will recommend SuSE to the rest of the world. That's
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Steve Shorter wrote:
Since when has the purpose of debian been to appease the
interests of the mass of unskilled consumers? There are lots of dists
that are trying to do that. I'm sure they will do a good job of
introducing newbies to Linux. But I never thought
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Paul Seelig wrote:
Please don't let's start *this* kind of discussion yet again. It's
*not* about appeasing to the masses of unskilled consumers. It's
about increasing ease of installation, use and maintenance. Skilled
people definitely benefit from such time saving
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 07:14:35PM +, thomas lakofski wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Paul Seelig wrote:
Can some focus be brought to getting there with similar ease? I've
been with Debian for over 2 years now and would be sad to have to
abandon it in the long run because of 'we don't do
thomas lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also am disappointed with the attitude of some people towards making
these things easier to do. Is it some kind of techno-snobbery, maybe?
In the context of initial installation, I think it's laziness -- a
refusal to examine problems.
That said, the
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Raul Miller wrote:
thomas lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also am disappointed with the attitude of some people towards making
these things easier to do. Is it some kind of techno-snobbery, maybe?
In the context of initial installation, I think it's laziness --
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, thomas lakofski wrote:
I also am disappointed with the attitude of some people towards making
these things easier to do. Is it some kind of techno-snobbery, maybe?
There is nothing wrong with making things easier. Simplicity
is an important technical value. But
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:51:25PM +, thomas lakofski wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Raul Miller wrote:
thomas lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also am disappointed with the attitude of some people towards making
these things easier to do. Is it some kind of techno-snobbery, maybe?
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 06:12:14PM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote:
Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ChL == Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ChL Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled.
What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word
On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 20:26:12 +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 06:12:14PM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote:
Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say,
even if they can't or do not have the time to
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Christian Lavoie wrote:
DISCLAIMER: These are notes, and can have technical impossibilites
(especially concerning '.deb'ianizing of StarOffice)
- Provide single user free of charge support through internet.
(email/newsgroups/knowledge base/whatever)
- Provide corporate
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Laurent Martelli wrote:
ChL == Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ChL Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled.
What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say,
even if they can't or do not have the time to contribute with code
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 06:12:14PM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote:
They should have `a word to say', and they do--they can subscribe to
Debian lists and give their feedback and advice, which developers are
free to follow or ignore. But they do not,
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:38:54 +0100, J.H.M. Dassen wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 20:26:12 +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 06:12:14PM -0500, Ben Pfaff wrote:
They should have `a word to say', and they do--they can subscribe to
Debian lists and give their feedback and
Ben Pfaff said:
Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say,
even if they can't or do not have the time to contribute with code ?
They should have `a word to say', and they do--they can subscribe to
Debian lists and
Shawn writes:
I am all for a for-profit business forming as a value-added seller of
Debian products. Such a business could focus on pre-installations,
packaging and marketing, and user support. I would think a very
successful business could be built on such a model, and there would be no
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Mark Phillips wrote:
How about the following variation on the theme?
Rather than starting a for-profit business as a value-added seller of
Debian products, why not start a not-for-profit, user centred,
association that does the same job? It would work a bit like an
DISCLAIMER: These are notes, and can have technical impossibilites
(especially concerning '.deb'ianizing of StarOffice)
Ok, here's the sum up:
- Debian will lose its spirit if it goes itself for-profit.
- A for-profit corporation based on Debian itself will eventually try
to influence/own it.
To preserve a kind of user support, we should create a DUA, which
would have to do some/all of the following:
- Provide single user free of charge support through internet.
(email/newsgroups/knowledge base/whatever)
- Provide corporate support, at a cost (cause they think it's better
to pay
David Welton wrote:
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 04:55:29PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
Shawn writes:
I am all for a for-profit business forming as a value-added seller
of Debian products. Such a business could focus on
pre-installations, packaging and marketing, and user support. I
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Christian Lavoie wrote:
- Debian will lose its spirit if it goes itself for-profit.
- A for-profit corporation based on Debian itself will eventually try
to influence/own it. (Consequences: See previous comment)
Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled.
ChL == Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ChL Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled.
What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say,
even if they can't or do not have the time to contribute with code ?
Laurent
Laurent Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ChL == Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ChL Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled.
What about non-developper users ? Shouldn't they have a word to say,
even if they can't or do not have the time to contribute
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:47:52PM -0500, Harrison, Shawn wrote:
So that's what I think we should focus on. -- What is the best way to get
Debian out to the world?
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On 19 Jan 1999 16:55:29 -0600, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Shawn writes:
I am all for a for-profit business forming as a value-added seller
of Debian products. Such a business could focus on
pre-installations, packaging and marketing, and user support.
Exactly! This is just the sort
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:08:53 -0600 (CST), Eric Gillespie, Jr. [EMAIL
PROTECTED] said:
I wouldn't mind it if everyone disagreed with what I'm saying. But
it seems as if no one even understands what I'm saying.
Sorry about the plug for my own company in my last message. However,
I think I do
Shawn writes:
I am all for a for-profit business forming as a value-added seller of
Debian products. Such a business could focus on pre-installations,
packaging and marketing, and user support. I would think a very
successful business could be built on such a model, and there would be no
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 04:55:29PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
Shawn writes:
I am all for a for-profit business forming as a value-added seller
of Debian products. Such a business could focus on
pre-installations, packaging and marketing, and user support. I
would think a very successful
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