Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 12:23:51PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/14/06, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:03:14PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: (...) Exactly my point Matthew, and calm down David, i wrote: e.g.: David said that Daniel helped him, but if

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-14 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/14/06, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:03:14PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: (...) Exactly my point Matthew, and calm down David, i wrote: e.g.: David said that Daniel helped him, but if he did that in his workhours it's under Canonical bless.. Do you see

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-13 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/13/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 06:08:52PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: We can't decide how they need to give us something MORE back and it's their problem? Whoever said they need to do that? They just need to stop bragging about shit they don't

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-13 Thread David Nusinow
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:45:48AM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: We can't say that Canonical/Ubuntu isn't contributing back. They're, as pointed out by some of us. e.g.: David said that Daniel helped him, but if he did that in his workhours it's under Canonical bless. Please stop trying to

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please stop trying to twist my words around. Canonical didn't contribute back. An individual who happened to work for Canonical did. If someone employed by the US government contributes to Debian of his own volition do we say that the US government gives

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-13 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/13/06, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please stop trying to twist my words around. Canonical didn't contribute back. An individual who happened to work for Canonical did. If someone employed by the US government contributes to Debian of

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-13 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:03:14PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/13/06, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please stop trying to twist my words around. Canonical didn't contribute back. An individual who happened to work for Canonical

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-13 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/13/06, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:03:14PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/13/06, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please stop trying to twist my words around. Canonical didn't contribute

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-13 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:03:14PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/13/06, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please stop trying to twist my words around. Canonical didn't contribute back. An individual who happened to work for Canonical

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Christian Perrier | No chance that people from Canonical show up over there? I can even | host (Perrier's bed and breakfast, including cheese)...:) I doubt it; There's a Ubuntu distro sprint in London that week so we'll all be very, very busy with discussions and bug fixing on our own. --

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so much. I don't intend to participate in this type of email argument with you; I've yet to

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so much. I don't intend to

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:31:40PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what it

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:31:40PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: On 1/12/06, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:16PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qui, 2006-01-12 às 18:08 -0200, Gustavo Franco escreveu: - Scott's url with patches isn't part of the give something back approach that we want. We need to be well informed about patches, but we don't know exactly how; Don't we? Debian is Ubuntu's upstream, right? When you modify

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/12/06, Daniel Ruoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Qui, 2006-01-12 às 18:08 -0200, Gustavo Franco escreveu: - Scott's url with patches isn't part of the give something back approach that we want. We need to be well informed about patches, but we don't know exactly how; Don't we?

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 06:08:52PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: We can't decide how they need to give us something MORE back and it's their problem? Whoever said they need to do that? They just need to stop bragging about shit they don't do. There's at least two ways to accomplish this. If

Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so much. On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:57:35AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: There are still rather intense emotional responses to Ubuntu within the Debian community, as evidenced in this thread and others. First a dismissal of

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-11 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 12 January 2006 00:09, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so much. What pisses me off is ppl keeping this thread alive without adding new arguments with as their main goal to widen the gap that is definitely there, but is

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-11 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:09:12PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Let's take this one apart and see what it is that pisses people off so much. Hello, Andrew. I don't intend to participate in this type of email argument with you; I've yet to see it pay off for anyone involved. However, I will

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-11 Thread Joey Hess
Frans Pop wrote: My observations: - almost all development effort that may help narrow the gap is done on the Ubuntu side, not on the Debian side; I'm sorry, but I've spent quite a lot of time digging usefull things out of the dross in Ubuntu patchsets (to the point of exhaustion and extreme

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-11 Thread Joey Hess
For what it's worth, I largely agree with Andrew. Please, show some fire and some honesty or STFU. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-11 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I don't intend to participate in this type of email argument with you; I've yet to see it pay off for anyone involved. However, I will be in London later this month and would be willing to use that opportunity to civilly discuss your concerns