On Wed, 14 May 2003 09:28:53 +0200
Martin Godisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:02:20 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
wrote:
Tormenta en un vaso de agua in Spanish. So it seems that french
and spanish drink more water than tea.
Sturm im Wasserglas in German.
On Tue, 20 May 2003, Denis Barbier wrote:
i believe that it looks nicer keeping the layout coherent across
translation.
But you do not explain why!
because it looks nicer and it is coherent with the original one. This was
always what i told along the thread. I tought it was clear ;)
On Tue, 20 May 2003, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
We asked why the removal of the number «3» from the word «PHP3» caused
the format of the whole description to the changed. We asked _why_,
we did not say «do not do this». First, we wanted to know why. Then,
we might want to ask it to
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 07:21:51AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
On Sun, 18 May 2003, Denis Barbier wrote:
[All Cc's removed]
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:54:55AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
[...]
I don't believe that there is not an estestic layout that can satisfy
Em 18 May 2003 18:06:40 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
| On Sat, 17 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote:
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| should always try to stay as close to the original as you can.
| Changing the text layout is a NO-GO in my opinion - and in the
|
On Sun, 18 May 2003, Denis Barbier wrote:
[All Cc's removed]
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:54:55AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
[...]
I don't believe that there is not an estestic layout that can satisfy
all the languages we have in Debian.
What is the rationale for having a single
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
| On Sat, 17 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote:
|
| should always try to stay as close to the original as you can.
| Changing the text layout is a NO-GO in my opinion - and in the
| opinion of our Apache people apparently.
|
| Apparently. We are trying to bring to
[All Cc's removed]
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:54:55AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
[...]
I don't believe that there is not an estestic layout that can satisfy
all the languages we have in Debian.
What is the rationale for having a single layout for all languages?
How do developers
On Sun, 18 May 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
| On Sat, 17 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote:
| should always try to stay as close to the original as you can.
| Changing the text layout is a NO-GO in my opinion - and in the
| opinion of our Apache people
Em Fri, 16 May 2003 06:55:04 +0200 (CEST), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
Why do you bother with the layout of the translation? The translators are
the authorities when it comes to their languages. I think we should not
be put in a jail and be unable to decide how we
On Sat, 17 May 2003, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
Em Fri, 16 May 2003 06:55:04 +0200 (CEST), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
Why do you bother with the layout of the translation? The translators are
the authorities when it comes to their languages. I think we should
Denis Barbier wrote:
| Description: Versatile, high-performance HTTP server
| The most popular server in the world, Apache features a modular
| design and supports dynamic selection of extension modules at runtime.
| Some of its strong points are its range of possible customization,
|
On Sat, 17 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote:
Please keep in mind that a translation is a translation and not a
redesign or reformat. When translating documents and strings, you
True. But the Debian translators are trying to l10n Debian, not to translate
it. And l10n *includes* redesign,
Em Sat, 17 May 2003 07:54:55 +0200 (CEST), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
Then you ask people to submit bugs to change the original description.
Yes because if they believe that a better layout should be in place i
don't see anything wrong in filing a wishlist bug. I
On Thu, 15 May 2003, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
Em Tue, 13 May 2003 06:57:45 +0200 (CEST), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
Now Apache maintainers are telling us that they chose another layout
and we are bound to it.
Yes because the official maintainer is
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 01:31:59AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
Unfortunately 0xa0 is the no-break space which is very common in
French typography. One could argue that Tollef was not aware of this
fact, but the question is: why does he believe that he can change this
localized file when he
Em Tue, 13 May 2003 06:57:45 +0200 (CEST), Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
Now Apache maintainers are telling us that they chose another layout
and we are bound to it.
Yes because the official maintainer is responsable for the description of
a package. Including the
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:36:53PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:04:43PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
Do we have such standard document for the original english description ?
No, and there is no
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
Bonjour,
I am french and I don't regard the 'Imprimerie Nationale' rules as binding.
We are still a free country.
Do we have such standard document for the original english description ?
No, and there is no dedicated team to
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 08:05:29PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 01:27:45PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
We have a similar expression in (American) English. It's a tempest in
a teapot.
Storm in a teacup for British English.
:-)
Tormenta en un vaso de agua in
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 12:25:24PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
The translation team. Any other scheme is flawed and tends to problems
(people doing the same work will collide, it has happened in the past with
translations and will happen in the future if the maintainer, and not the
* (Denis Barbier)
| I sent a templates.fr file for cvs in #136340, which has been included
| in 1.11.1p1debian-4. I do not know if this file was included verbatim,
| but 1.11.1p1debian-8 did not contain any 0xa0 characters (in ISO-8859-1
| encoding) which were replaced by normal spaces. Now
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 12:57:51PM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Martin Quinson wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 09:42:16AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
If you really believe that the apache description should be improved than
you file a bug against
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:40:17AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
Telling them 'you do not speak french, so don't try to understand' is
not acceptable.
Sure it is. If they believe that the translator is wrong, they can
ask a trusted person of their own to review the translation.
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 12:07:29PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
Your engagement for the quality of your package is really great. Only, I
think that you are not responsible of the translation. I know that there is
a lack in debian framework concerning this point, but it really should be so
Hi, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
To the extent that the DDTP gives the package maintainer veto rights, it
seems pretty clear that at least initially the DDTP believed that the
package maintainer was ultimately responsible.
It's the maintainer's name and signature on the package, after all.
On the
Hi, Martin Quinson wrote:
It must be so in French.
Sorry for being pedantic, but must is an overly strong word here.
You may have valid reasons for not using a comma-separated list here, but
French grammar certainly allows comma-separated enumerations if one so
desires. (Spoken language, for
On Wednesday 14 May 2003 14:27, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 12:07:29PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
Your engagement for the quality of your package is really great. Only, I
think that you are not responsible of the translation. I know that there
is a lack in debian
[I only speak for myself, and not for the french translation team neither
for the ddtp, in which I'm not involved at all. Please flame *me* for what I
say]
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:27:02AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 12:07:29PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
Your
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:27:02AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 12:07:29PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
Your engagement for the quality of your package is really great. Only, I
think that you are not responsible of the translation. I know that there is
a lack in
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 08:27:02AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
[...]
P.S. To the extent that the DDTP gives the package maintainer veto
rights, it seems pretty clear that at least initially the DDTP
believed that the package maintainer was ultimately responsible.
Given comments and the tenor
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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Denis Barbier wrote:
In this thread we were told to change the French translation because
Apache maintainers did not like its layout. I will come back to this
issue below, but here is a better example of the problem I want to
Hi;
[I reply to this message, since I am the guy who translates the
Description]
On tue 13 may 2003 at 06:57 +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
[...]
Now Apache maintainers are telling us that they chose another layout
and we are bound to it.
Yes because the official maintainer is
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Pierre Machard wrote:
Hi;
[I reply to this message, since I am the guy who translates the
Description]
On tue 13 may 2003 at 06:57 +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
[...]
Now Apache maintainers are telling us that they chose another layout
and we are bound to
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 06:57:45AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
(...)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2003/debian-l10n-french-200305/msg00121.html
The first post to the mailing list is the result of the only mail in which
i was asking Michael Bramer how to behave in the
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 06:57:45AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
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On Tue, 13 May 2003, Denis Barbier wrote:
In this thread we were told to change the French translation because
Apache maintainers did not like its layout. I will come
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 06:57:45AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
(...)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2003/debian-l10n-french-200305/msg00121.html
The first post to the mailing list is the result of the only
Dear Debian fellows,
In France, we have an expression that says a storm in a glass of
water. I sincerely think we are in such a case.
Let me summarise what happened, according to what I read on the
debian-l10-french list.
Once, there was a description for the Apache package
Hi !
Le 2003-05-13 09:42:16 +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto écrivait :
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Pierre Machard wrote:
just an examoke:
http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-best-pkging-practices.en.html#s-bpp-pkg-desc
The long description should consist of full and complete
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:01:49AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
Yes we are since in the first place we asked nicely to change the layout
back to the original one (as it was before this translation) and then you
(..)
Maintainers or developers do not have a say on how
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
I won't discuss that. It probably was not nice switching to other language
but Denis was, in my point of view, asking the rest of the team (which
might not be fluent in english)
Let's stop any discussion that is not focused on the
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 09:42:16AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
If you really believe that the apache description should be improved than
you file a bug against apache asking to changing layout, proposing the
better one so that everyone can be alligned to it.
If I understand well,
On Tue, 13 May 2003, Martin Quinson wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 09:42:16AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
If you really believe that the apache description should be improved than
you file a bug against apache asking to changing layout, proposing the
better one so that everyone
Hi !
Apologies are due for the thread in french in which you were not cc'ed.
So impolite as it may seems, though, you adressed to the french
translation team as a whole, and I think every people who jumped in this
thread were willing to adopt a common standpoint on this issue before
you would be
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 12:37:46PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
If I understand well, you are bored because you think that the layout used
in french could be good in all languages, but the french translators sort of
kept it for themselves.
But we didn't do that because we don't think that
Bonjour,
I am french and I don't regard the 'Imprimerie Nationale' rules as binding.
We are still a free country.
Do we have such standard document for the original english description ?
No, and there is no dedicated team to review them.
I think we should focus on provided accurate description
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:14:33AM +0200, Yannick Roehlly wrote:
In France, we have an expression that says a storm in a glass of
water.
We have a similar expression in (American) English. It's a tempest in
a teapot.
[1] http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-tem1.htm
--
G. Branden
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 01:27:45PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
We have a similar expression in (American) English. It's a tempest in
a teapot.
Storm in a teacup for British English.
--
You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever.
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On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
Bonjour,
I am french and I don't regard the 'Imprimerie Nationale' rules as binding.
We are still a free country.
Do we have such standard document for the original english description ?
No, and there is no dedicated team to
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:04:43PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
Do we have such standard document for the original english description ?
No, and there is no dedicated team to review them.
debian-l10n-english
There have been no
First of all, it seems to me that the French translation is clearly
correctly formatted, for French. Nice to learn about how list layout
works in French. However --
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
The official maintainer is in _no_ way responsible for the _translated_
description of a
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:36:53PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 10:04:43PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
Do we have such standard document for the original english description ?
No, and there is no
Hi,
On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
Bonjour,
I am french and I don't regard the 'Imprimerie Nationale' rules as binding.
We are still a free country.
Do we have such standard document for the original english description ?
No, and there is no dedicated
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