Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

2011-04-04 Thread Dmitry E. Oboukhov
On 08:18 Mon 04 Apr , Raphael Hertzog wrote: RH Hi, RH On Mon, 04 Apr 2011, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: Stupid scheme (intended for stupid users) should be based on ifupdown but shouldn't replace it. RH Please refrain from calling people stupid users just because they use a RH software that

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

2011-04-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:52:33AM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: On 08:18 Mon 04 Apr , Raphael Hertzog wrote: RH Hi, RH On Mon, 04 Apr 2011, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: Stupid scheme (intended for stupid users) should be based on ifupdown but shouldn't replace it. RH Please refrain

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

2011-04-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 00:00:01 -0700 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: There was a way User can do anything, the way was replaced by the way User can do something in list. Obviously that this action has been done for stupid users. Yes, a user can do anything with ifconfig if his time

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

2011-04-04 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 12:00:01AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:52:33AM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: On 08:18 Mon 04 Apr , Raphael Hertzog wrote: RH Hi, RH On Mon, 04 Apr 2011, Dmitry E. Oboukhov wrote: Stupid scheme (intended for stupid users) should

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

2011-04-04 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote: There needs to be a simple tool with few dependencies and there needs to be a complex solution with all the power that some users need. One tool does not suit all here. It's not just about daemon vs GUI frontend or whether to use

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

2011-04-04 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 09:59:43PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: On Mon, 4 Apr 2011, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote: There needs to be a simple tool with few dependencies and there needs to be a complex solution with all the power that some users need. One tool does not suit all

Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

2011-04-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2011-04-04 at 00:18 +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote: If you read my mails without a prejudice you will notice it. I have read all e-mails in this thread, and what constructive criticism you may have given is buried under uncompromising prejudice. For example: If you mean the

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

2011-04-03 Thread Stanislav Maslovski
On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 10:28:42PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: I have read all e-mails in this thread, and what constructive criticism you may have given is buried under uncompromising prejudice. For example: If you mean the ifupdown-based configuration, then I cannot agree that it is

Re: Flaming as a way to reach technical quality? No! (was: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy))

2011-04-03 Thread Dmitry E. Oboukhov
If you mean the ifupdown-based configuration, then I cannot agree that it is really disastrous (I would agree that the network-manager approach is really disastrous, however) as at least in my cases (which are not so trivial) ifupdown works okay (and if not then at least I would know ways how