Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Totally equivalent when we're discussing about closure messages sent to -done. A message to -done means nothing to anyone except the bug submitter. The three seconds I spend writing a useful changelog entry make it useful to me, the submitter, and

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-26 Thread Mathieu Roy
Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Totally equivalent when we're discussing about closure messages sent to -done. A message to -done means nothing to anyone except the bug submitter. The three seconds I spend writing a useful changelog

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-24 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:55:37AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Simply saying that the bug was fixed in the new upstream release doesn't tell the user why Why a bug wa gixed is obvious, because it was a bug. - XXX does nt delete temp file - Fixed in

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - a user to be able to read the changelog, with an idea of the bug in his head, and find where it was fixed. For example, a stable user reading an unstable changelog to see if a bug affecting him is fixed This is not relevant I'm afraid since

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:20:59AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both should record the change in the package which caused the bug to be closed. The change may be described at a high level (fixed the problem which caused behaviour) or a low level (fixed

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-22 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - The bug submitter should receive a reasonable explanation for the bug's closure in the -done message Well can you please give an operable definition of what a reasonable explanation is? A reasonable explanation includes enough information

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:22:40PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A reasonable explanation includes enough information for: - the submitter to recognize that their bug was in fact fixed Agreed. However I must say that this is pretty obvious when you

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 04:18:10PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I do understand your position; I simply disagree. I feel that changes which close Debian bugs should be documented in debian/changelog whether or not they are Debian-specific

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:00:14AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 10:21, Herbert Xu wrote: The only disagreement is with what to do with upstream changes that happen to close Debian bugs. Is there any chance of everyone agreeing to leave it up to the maintainer to decide

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 02:56:35AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 05:38:50PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: As far as the BTS is concerned, it is irrelevant how a bug is fixed. Wrong. The BTS is a front-end to users. When bugs are closed, the submitter(a normal user)

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:55:37AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: Simply saying that the bug was fixed in the new upstream release doesn't tell the user why Why a bug wa gixed is obvious, because it was a bug. - XXX does nt delete temp file - Fixed in new upstream release I mean, hell this is not

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why a bug wa gixed is obvious, because it was a bug. - XXX does nt delete temp file - Fixed in new upstream release I mean, hell this is not hard to understand. That's great if I knew what the bug was. You seem to be assuming that the only people

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
This seems like a lot of argument over avoiding putting six more words into the changelog file giving information that the maintainer clearly already has (since otherwise they wouldn't know that they could close the bug), and which is obviously useful for users. Hear, hear. You can't tell