On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:53:55AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 26 juillet 2010 à 20:19 +0200, Magnus Berg a écrit :
And you wonder: How to make Debian more attractive for users. :-)
First thing: Average Linux user may not be very interested in spam
hunting.
Second thing: If
Hi,
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:49:00 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Simply, we do not need to, and should not, make reporting bugs easier.
As a point of reference, Ubuntu disabled their easy-to-find http bug
submission page because of this very problem.
Le lundi 26 juillet 2010 à 14:57 -0400, Andres Mejia a écrit :
Here's a template reportbug prints out for iceweasel.
[snip]
Versions of packages iceweasel depends on:
ii debianutils 3.4Miscellaneous utilities specific
t
ii fontconfig2.8.0-2.1
Hi, Fernando:
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 04:00:11 Fernando Lemos wrote:
2010/7/26 Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net:
[...]
How many BTS reports have you closed?
I don't mean to sound offensive here, but this thread is fruitless.
All I see is people talking and talking over
On 27/07/10 at 11:13 +0200, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
Hi, Fernando:
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 04:00:11 Fernando Lemos wrote:
2010/7/26 Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net:
[...]
How many BTS reports have you closed?
I don't mean to sound offensive here, but this thread is
On 2010-07-27, Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net wrote:
Now: I'm not a DD nor I want to commit time to become one, while I may have
time from time to time. What's the way I can help? Since parent poster was
worried about more bugs meaning more time to triage, how can I help
Fernando Lemos writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was:
Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
This is free software. If you want to get your idea implemented,
either file a bug report and patiently wait (and leave debian-devel
alone) or implement
On 27/07/2010 12:59, Ian Jackson wrote:
Fernando Lemos writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users,
was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
This is free software. If you want to get your idea implemented,
either file a bug report and patiently wait (and
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org wrote:
Isn't that what #590269 is about?
No, that seems to be more about a SOAP (over HTTP) transport for
reportbug/bts to file and manipulate bugs.
Ian is probably talking about a Web 2.0 site with social bookmarking,
tag
Yves-Alexis Perez writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users,
was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
On 27/07/2010 12:59, Ian Jackson wrote:
In context this could be read as an invitation to write the code to
allow web bug submission. Of course such
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 26 juillet 2010 à 14:57 -0400, Andres Mejia a écrit :
Here's a template reportbug prints out for iceweasel.
[snip]
Versions of packages iceweasel depends on:
ii debianutils 3.4Miscellaneous utilities
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 04:56:03PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
With a free form field called System specific information, please paste
here the output of “reportbug --template package”.
That could even be reasonable.
Except many people won't bother doing that.
Currently, the barrier to
Josselin Mouette, 2010-07-27 08:58:01 +0200 :
[...]
Now with some additional prompts to the user to get subject and body,
I don't see how a web app that can get this same information as
reportbug can not be developed.
Yeah sure. With an ActiveX maybe?
Probably easier: add a CGI-like
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 04:56:03PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
With a free form field called System specific information, please paste
here the output of “reportbug --template package”.
That could even be reasonable.
Except many people
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 06:04:42PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 04:56:03PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
With a free form field called System specific information, please paste
here the output of “reportbug --template
OoO Lors de la soirée naissante du mardi 27 juillet 2010, vers 17:55,
Roland Mas lola...@debian.org disait :
Probably easier: add a CGI-like interface to reportbug, and open a
browser on it? Since it *is* reportbug, it can continue grabbing
whatever information is relevant using its
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 17:12, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 04:56:03PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
With a free form field called System specific information, please paste
here the output of “reportbug --template package”.
That could even be reasonable.
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Teemu Likonen wrote:
* 2010-07-25 12:54 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote:
stable = release
testing = current
unstable = development
I like these. They describe the three distributions well and current
might encourage more users than testing. Advertising constantly
On 26/07/2010 06:08, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
PS: I don't know how much of this still belongs to d-devel (honestly,
very few of the discussions about reportbug arisen from this thread
does) and so you might probably want to move the conversation to
reportbug-ma...@lists.alioth.debian.org .
I
Le 26/07/2010 10:26, Arief M Utama a écrit :
On 26/07/2010 06:08, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
PS: I don't know how much of this still belongs to d-devel (honestly,
very few of the discussions about reportbug arisen from this thread
does) and so you might probably want to move the conversation to
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Daniel Reurich wrote:
2) store output in a file, read it, then copy/paste on my MUA : you call
that user friendly ? ;)
No, but it's a viable solution (and I heard several people are already
doing similar stuff).
you could improve this and have it call
Brian May writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re:
The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
I would really like to see a HTML/HTTP browser based interface for the
BTS. I would have several advantages:
I would strongly resist any such suggestion, for
* 2010-07-26 08:13 (+0200), Raphael Hertzog wrote:
* 2010-07-25 12:54 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote:
stable = release
testing = current
unstable = development
I would not introduce release but just keep stable, it describes
the distribution well.
Yes, that's it: stable - current -
Am 26.07.2010 11:56, schrieb Raphael Hertzog:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Daniel Reurich wrote:
(It would be easier still if sensible-utils included a mail user agent as
well,
then we could just call that.) Alternatively we could ask the user what
mua they use (provide a list out of the installed
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Bastian Venthur vent...@debian.org wrote:
Yep, that's correct. I wish xdg-email would work as expected but it does
not so I have to take care of each and every quirk of a MUA if it wants
to be used by reportbug-ng.
Shouldn't those quirks be moved into
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:49:00 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Brian May writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re:
The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
I would really like to see a HTML/HTTP browser based interface for the
BTS. I would have several
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:13:29 +0200, Raphael Hertzog
hert...@debian.org wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, Teemu Likonen wrote:
* 2010-07-25 12:54 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote:
stable = release
testing = current
unstable = development
I like these. They describe the three distributions well and
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:32:49 -0400, Will ay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
they first install, so allowing to use some kind of HTTP interface
would be very nice indeed.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:49:00PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
Brian May writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re:
The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
I would really like to see a HTML/HTTP browser based interface for the
BTS. I would have
Am 26.07.2010 17:21, schrieb Paul Wise:
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Bastian Venthur vent...@debian.org wrote:
Yep, that's correct. I wish xdg-email would work as expected but it does
not so I have to take care of each and every quirk of a MUA if it wants
to be used by reportbug-ng.
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 05:47:53PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
An HTTP interface for /manipulating/ (not necessarily submitting) bugs
would be a huge timesaver for me at least.
Preliminary code for that has been around for a while now:
https://alioth.debian.org/projects/bts-webui/. It's even
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote on 07/26/2010 12:00:28 PM:
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de
07/26/2010 12:00 PM
To
debian-devel@lists.debian.org
cc
Subject
Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The
number of
Why is it neccecary to show mail adresses in bug reports and mail list?
This help spammers, take capacity from the internet and makes people who
are friendly to contribute once to bug reports and mail list crasy. I
think that sucks and I don't help you with sending any bug reports
because of that.
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Magnus Berg wrote:
I think that sucks and I don't help you with sending any bug reports
because of that.
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=63995
Don Armstrong
--
I shall require that [a scientific system's] logical form shall be
such that it can be
On Lu, 26 iul 10, 18:42:06, Magnus Berg wrote:
Why is it neccecary to show mail adresses in bug reports and mail list?
This help spammers, take capacity from the internet and makes people who
are friendly to contribute once to bug reports and mail list crasy. I
think that sucks and I don't
Am Montag, 26. Juli 2010 schrieb Teemu Likonen:
* 2010-07-26 08:13 (+0200), Raphael Hertzog wrote:
* 2010-07-25 12:54 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote:
stable = release
testing = current
unstable = development
Yeah, I like it, too. This is better than the suggetion, with that I
initiated this
Magnus Berg wrote:
I think that sucks and I don't help you with sending any bug reports
because of that.
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=63995
Don Armstrong
And you wonder: How to make Debian more attractive for users. :-)
First thing: Average Linux user may not be
On Monday 26 July 2010 11:54:29 Marc Haber wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:32:49 -0400, Will ay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
they first install, so allowing to use
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Magnus Berg wrote:
Magnus Berg wrote:
I think that sucks and I don't help you with sending any bug reports
because of that.
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=63995
And you wonder: How to make Debian more attractive for users. :-)
First
Magnus Berg debianjunkm...@burgsvik.se writes:
And you wonder: How to make Debian more attractive for users. :-)
First thing: Average Linux user may not be very interested in spam
hunting. Second thing: If you intend to be attractive for the average
Linux user - Ubuntu users for instance -
Hi, Ian:
On Monday 26 July 2010 13:49:00 Ian Jackson wrote:
Brian May writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was:
Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
I would really like to see a HTML/HTTP browser based interface for the
BTS. I would have several
Hi Marc:
On Monday 26 July 2010 17:54:29 Marc Haber wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:32:49 -0400, Will ay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
they first install, so allowing
6, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:32:49 -0400, Will ay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
they first install, so
2010/7/26 Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net:
Hi, Ian:
On Monday 26 July 2010 13:49:00 Ian Jackson wrote:
Brian May writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was:
Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
I would really like to see a HTML/HTTP
On 26 July 2010 21:49, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Brian May writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re:
The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
I would really like to see a HTML/HTTP browser based interface for the
BTS. I would
Le 26/07/2010 10:26, Arief M Utama a écrit :
Olivier,
If you need any help, I'd like to help creating the web-interface. I
have some years of experience in php.
All the best.
-arief
Thanks but it's Perl only :(
Ahh.. :-(
No possibilities to implement the interface in php while
Le lundi 26 juillet 2010 à 20:19 +0200, Magnus Berg a écrit :
And you wonder: How to make Debian more attractive for users. :-)
First thing: Average Linux user may not be very interested in spam
hunting.
Second thing: If you intend to be attractive for the average Linux
user - Ubuntu users
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:02:52 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum
lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
On 22/07/10 at 14:22 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But where is the money going to come from?
This idea is
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:08:28 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user,
What's so hard about typing reportbug?
Greetings
Marc
--
-- !! No courtesy copies, please !! -
Twas brillig at 11:53:28 25.07.2010 UTC+02 when mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de
did gyre and gimble:
For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe simpler
user,
MH What's so hard about typing reportbug?
Lack of distributed global hypnoeducation which pre-fills users' minds with
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:37:41 +0100, Fuentes, Adolfo
a.fuen...@liverpool.ac.uk wrote:
Well, then the problem I think is that people don't get to know what we all
already know: That Debian is perhaps the best distro (in general terms). As
Paul Wise commented, we need more promotion and more people
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:46:22 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich
hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
I suggest for this, to thinlk about other names, for example
- stable = server
- testing = desktop
- unstable = super_modern
stable = release
testing = current
unstable = development
(kind of copied from
Le 25/07/2010 11:53, Marc Haber a écrit :
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:08:28 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES
roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user,
What's so hard about typing reportbug?
Greetings
Marc
It's dependent of a
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:09:48 +0200, Olivier Bonvalet
debian.l...@daevel.fr wrote:
I would like have an alternative and independent protocol (thought HTTP
for example), when we can't easily use MTA/SMTP.
Agreed, but HTTP is not the ultimative help. See corporate networks
with a non-transparent
Le 25/07/2010 15:19, Marc Haber a écrit :
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:09:48 +0200, Olivier Bonvalet
debian.l...@daevel.fr wrote:
I would like have an alternative and independent protocol (thought HTTP
for example), when we can't easily use MTA/SMTP.
Agreed, but HTTP is not the ultimative
stable = release
testing = current
unstable = development
(kind of copied from FreeBSD).
This.
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
they first install, so allowing to use some kind of HTTP
* 2010-07-25 12:54 (+0200), Marc Haber wrote:
stable = release
testing = current
unstable = development
I like these. They describe the three distributions well and current
might encourage more users than testing. Advertising constantly
usable and trendy rolling release would surely help.
Hello,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Will ay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
are you (and all the others asking for this) willing to help developing one?
Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
they first
Le 26/07/2010 00:07, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
Hello,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Willay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
are you (and all the others asking for this) willing to help developing one?
As a PHP developper, I
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:52:50AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:02:52 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum
lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
On 22/07/10 at 14:22 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
That's an interesting idea.
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:12, Olivier Bonvalet debian.l...@daevel.fr wrote:
Le 26/07/2010 00:07, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
Hello,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Willay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
are you (and all the others
5, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org wrote:
Hello,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Will ay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
are you (and all the others asking for this) willing to help developing one?
Many new users find it
hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:22, Will ay1...@gmail.com wrote:
5, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org wrote:
Hello,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Will ay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
are you (and all the others asking
Le 26/07/2010 00:36, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:12, Olivier Bonvaletdebian.l...@daevel.fr wrote:
Le 26/07/2010 00:07, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
Hello,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 19:32, Willay1...@gmail.comwrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:49, Olivier Bonvalet debian.l...@daevel.fr wrote:
then set the right permission on the config file and use smtppasswd
(man reportbug.conf for more info). You can also save the output from
reportbug on a file and send the report from another machine.
1) store
Le 26/07/2010 01:01, Sandro Tosi a écrit :
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 00:49, Olivier Bonvaletdebian.l...@daevel.fr wrote:
then set the right permission on the config file and use smtppasswd
(man reportbug.conf for more info). You can also save the output from
reportbug on a file and send
On 26 July 2010 03:32, Will ay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Additionally, an HTTP interface to reportbug would be a good idea.
Many new users find it difficult or unnecessary to set up an MTA when
they first install, so allowing to use some kind of HTTP interface
would be very nice indeed.
I would
2) store output in a file, read it, then copy/paste on my MUA : you call
that user friendly ? ;)
No, but it's a viable solution (and I heard several people are already
doing similar stuff).
you could improve this and have it call sensible-browser
mailto:u...@example.com?subject=bug\
On 07/22/2010 02:46 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Hi all,
and there is another point, I would like to mention.
The naming of the repository is not well chosen, as it let new and
unexperienced people to debian feel a wrong way. The names stable testing
and unstable let the poeople think,
Hello DD's and Debian Users,
I have installed Debian around an year ago. Recently, I have subscribed to
various mailing lists and reading them on daily basis, whether they are
relevant to me or not. I am still learning about debian.
Prior to the installation of Debian, I don't have any
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 01:53:22AM +0200, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
Hi again, Russ:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 14:21:09 Russ Allbery wrote:
Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net writes:
[...]
I don't agree; I think it's very hard to say the same thing about testing.
I already told
On 22/07/10 at 14:22 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
That's an interesting idea. But where is the money going to come from?
This idea is likely to get so much people against it that it's not worth
discussing.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
Group 1 can be interested, either when there are Debian (and I mean really
Debian, not derivates like Ubuntu) preinstalled Computers available. These
should be easily configurable. A graphical interface (for example
Well, then the problem I think is that people don't get to know what we all
already know: That Debian is perhaps the best distro (in general terms). As
Paul Wise commented, we need more promotion and more people creating
screenshots. At least this would be the easiest and cheapest way to start
Le mercredi 21 juillet 2010 à 23:15 +0200, Patrick Matthäi a écrit :
I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why?
We stripped out all binary only firmware images from Linux and put them
mostly into the non-free linux-firmware image.
If you think this is a problem, you could
Em 21-07-2010 18:38, Hans-J. Ullrich escreveu:
Hi community,
[...]
Hi all,
from my personal experience, at management level these kind of questions
are usual:
- how much will it cost? do i need a bigger workforce?
- Will everything work???
- if anything goest wrong the 'guys who sell it'
Hi, Manoj:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:17:15 Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote:
Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial
support behind their projects, whereas Debian has little/none of that.
One of the issues I have faced in trying
Hi, Russ:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:55:52 Russ Allbery wrote:
Will ay1...@gmail.com writes:
1, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
This one always boggles me and makes me wonder if we should present
Debian unstable or testing as the typical installation. Debian
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Steffen Möller steffen_moel...@gmx.de wrote:
This should probably then move to Debian-Project?
On 07/21/2010 11:31 AM, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 05:34:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
I think that what we need is Debian Blends that
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 11:08 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES a écrit :
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http interface than reportbug-ng (what should
be installed by default
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 11:08 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES a écrit :
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 10:44 +0200, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
Hi, Manoj:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:17:15 Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote:
Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial
support behind their projects, whereas Debian has
Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net writes:
But once you forget your expectancies and put yourself under the skin of
a newcomer, Sid breaks and sometimes breaks hard (no other thing should
be expected -in fact, I feel sometimes that Sid breaks too little
because due to the fact that
Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com writes:
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http interface than reportbug-ng (what should be
installed by default for your
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
In Launchpad, for anything in universe, the typical experience is that
your bug goes into a black hole until a month or two later someone sends
you some form letter about it.
That's why I stopped reporting bugs against Fedora years ago,
Hi all,
and there is another point, I would like to mention.
The naming of the repository is not well chosen, as it let new and
unexperienced people to debian feel a wrong way. The names stable testing
and unstable let the poeople think, debian is using crippled software, which
is unstable,
I would have thought that would be really confusing. It sounds like
what is the purpose of this machine question you get during
installation. Better would be
stable = solid,
testing = edgy,
unstable = bleeding_edge
That said I think there is noting wrong with the current terms.
Hans-J.
Hi!
Am 22.07.2010 09:21, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why?
We stripped out all binary only firmware images from Linux and put them
mostly into the non-free linux-firmware image.
If you think this is a problem, you could help with
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:25:34PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Hi!
Am 22.07.2010 09:21, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why?
We stripped out all binary only firmware images from Linux and put them
mostly into the
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 04:25:34PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Hi!
Am 22.07.2010 09:21, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
I think with our next release, we will have got less users. Why?
We stripped out all binary only firmware images from Linux and put them
mostly into the non-free
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le jeudi 22 juillet 2010 à 11:08 +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES a écrit :
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com writes:
Support of debian is excellent but we are less user friendly than
ubuntu. For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http interface
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
In Launchpad, for anything in universe, the typical experience is that
your bug goes into a black hole until a month or two later someone sends
you some form
Bastien ROUCARIES writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users,
was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
For isntance the bug sytem could be made simplier for joe
simpler user, using an http interface than reportbug-ng [...]
I think what's really
Bastien ROUCARIES writes (Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users,
was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling):
The problem is joe simple user find one package that does not work,
it seatrch on the web how to report bug, does not find, does not
report it, and
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Having followed the Ubuntu bugs for many of my packages for several years
now, I think Debian's bug system is considerably more user-friendly than
Launchpad. It may not be as *pretty*, and it's not as easy to submit a
bug, but when you submit a bug to
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Ian Jackson wrote:
2nd, related, fallacy: Everyone has a useful contribution to make to
Debian. This is not the case.
Even though not everyone may have a useful contribution, we need the
contributions of people who actually can contribute usefully.
Discouraging useless
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Russell Coker wrote:
The ability to have reportbug write it's output to a text file that
can be copied elsewhere is a good thing. It would be nice if
reportbug on a system with email access could then create an email
based on that file instead of requiring copy/paste
OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du jeudi 22 juillet 2010, vers
14:26, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org disait :
In Launchpad, for anything in universe, the typical experience is that
your bug goes into a black hole until a month or two later someone sends
you some form letter about it.
On 22/07/10 09:44, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
Hi, Manoj:
On Thursday 22 July 2010 07:17:15 Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21 2010, Will wrote:
Also I imagine that it helps that they have some kind of commercial
support behind their projects, whereas Debian has little/none of that.
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