Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-11 Thread Daniel Baumann
Lars Wirzenius wrote: I don't like those laws, but publically urging people to violate them isn't going to do anyone any good. Hu? Why should it be illegal to re-sell or outreach a piece of US hardware, which is already imported into a free country, into another free country? However, it's not

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-11 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Daniel Baumann wrote: Lars Wirzenius wrote: I don't like those laws, but publically urging people to violate them isn't going to do anyone any good. Hu? Why should it be illegal to re-sell or outreach a piece of US hardware, which is already imported into a free country, into another

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-11 Thread John Hasler
Daniel writes: Why should it be illegal to re-sell or outreach a piece of US hardware, which is already imported into a free country, into another free country? It would be illegal for Intel to send the hardware to someone it knows is going to send it somewhere that it would be illegal for

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-10 Thread Daniel Baumann
Christian Perrier wrote: We (Debian developers and contributors) certainly all agree on this (or, at least, the vast majority of us). Why then being so complicated? If there is a candidate in a country doomed by US export laws, 'export' the notebook first to someone other and ship if afterwards

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2005-12-10 kello 10:39 +0100, Daniel Baumann kirjoitti: Christian Perrier wrote: We (Debian developers and contributors) certainly all agree on this (or, at least, the vast majority of us). Why then being so complicated? If there is a candidate in a country doomed by US export laws,

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-10 Thread John Hasler
Daniel Baumann writes: Why then being so complicated? If there is a candidate in a country doomed by US export laws, 'export' the notebook first to someone other and ship if afterwards to Cuba. This would still violate the export law. Otherwise the law would be even more pointless than it

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-10 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Daniel Baumann wrote: Why then being so complicated? If there is a candidate in a country doomed by US export laws, 'export' the notebook first to someone other and ship if afterwards to Cuba. Well, this was my first idea as well. Even if I absolutely not like the kind

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-09 Thread Andy Teijelo Pérez
El Jueves, 8 de Diciembre de 2005 7:14, Andreas Schuldei escribió: ... i can try to come up with a list of countries if it helps. For some reason I don't understand, hitting reply on most messages in the list brings up the new message window with the correct To: address

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-09 Thread Alejandro Bonilla
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:52:07 -0500, Andy Teijelo Pérez wrote El Jueves, 8 de Diciembre de 2005 7:14, Andreas Schuldei escribió: ... i can try to come up with a list of countries if it helps. For some reason I don't understand, hitting reply on most messages in the list brings up the new

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-09 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Andy Teijelo Pérez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-12-09 11:52:07]: Does a country considered by the U.S. government as terrorist, or with which having commercial relationships is forbidden for american companies, apply for this offering? I got some wise advice about not to make the contry the

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-09 Thread Alejandro Bonilla Beeche
Andreas Schuldei wrote: * Andy Teijelo Pérez [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-12-09 11:52:07]: Does a country considered by the U.S. government as terrorist, or with which having commercial relationships is forbidden for american companies, apply for this offering? I got some wise advice

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-09 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:14:59AM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote: having commercial relationships is forbidden for american companies, apply for this offering? I got some wise advice about not to make the contry the ulitmate critera (and to NOT give a list of countries). So if there

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-09 Thread Christian Perrier
Yeah that would be a real pain to exlude countries because of stupid political 'correctness'. All in all in Free Software movement we don't know what the borders are, do we? We (Debian developers and contributors) certainly all agree on this (or, at least, the vast majority of us). However,

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-08 Thread Lucas Fernandes
I can´t belive... this is true...2005/12/8, Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Intel is so generous to provide Debian with ten notebooks (besidessome server hardware), which we would like to give to developersin developing countries who- are technically able,- are dedicated to Debian, - would be

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-08 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:08:58PM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote: Intel is so generous to provide Debian with ten notebooks (besides some server hardware), which we would like to give to developers in developing countries who What exacly did you mean writing about 'developing countries'?

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-08 Thread Andreas Schuldei
* Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-12-09 00:30:09]: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:08:58PM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote: Intel is so generous to provide Debian with ten notebooks (besides some server hardware), which we would like to give to developers in developing countries

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2005-12-08 Thread Alejandro Bonilla Beeche
Andreas Schuldei wrote: * Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-12-09 00:30:09]: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:08:58PM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote: Intel is so generous to provide Debian with ten notebooks (besides some server hardware), which we would like to give to