Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hakan Bayındır dijo [Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 09:21:07PM +0300]: > A further evolution of this idea might be adding another question to > Debian Installer regarding to non-free software. > > If the users choose “No” for enabling non-free repositories, another > question might ask “Your system seems to

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-21 Thread Hakan Bayındır
> On 21 Apr 2022, at 21:14, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Marc Haber dijo [Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 06:56:54PM +0200]: >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:21:10 -0600, Sam Hartman >> wrote: >>> One valuable suggestion was to make sure users could easily select >>> freedom if that's what they wanted. >>> So I

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Marc Haber dijo [Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 06:56:54PM +0200]: > On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:21:10 -0600, Sam Hartman > wrote: > >One valuable suggestion was to make sure users could easily select > >freedom if that's what they wanted. > >So I think a free installation image is important. > > Would that

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Ansgar
On Wed, 2022-04-20 at 19:47 +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > 2022, ഏപ്രിൽ 20 1:52:45 PM IST, Ansgar ൽ എഴുതി > > On Wed, 2022-04-20 at 12:55 +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > > liberated.computer it is refurbished and some components like > > > wifi > > > cards replaced so it works with 100% free

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Samuel Thibault
Pirate Praveen, le mer. 20 avril 2022 19:47:31 +0530, a ecrit: > 2022, ഏപ്രിൽ 20 1:52:45 PM IST, Ansgar ൽ എഴുതി > >On Wed, 2022-04-20 at 12:55 +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > >> liberated.computer it is refurbished and some components like wifi > >> cards replaced so it works with 100% free

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Pirate Praveen
2022, ഏപ്രിൽ 20 1:52:45 PM IST, Ansgar ൽ എഴുതി >On Wed, 2022-04-20 at 12:55 +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: >> liberated.computer it is refurbished and some components like wifi >> cards replaced so it works with 100% free software. > >No, it doesn't. It just *hides* the fact that you use non-free

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 08:28:25AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > I think you lack pretty much of seeing more than you own self and use case. No, everything I write in these threads I write for our potential users who don't have enough knowledge to find things they need or to

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-04-20 04:06, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 01:25:31PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: >> Similarly, I think it would be reasonable for someone to want to provide >> entirely free Debian media along with a libre laptop. > > Does this exist in the real

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Ansgar
On Wed, 2022-04-20 at 12:55 +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > liberated.computer it is refurbished and some components like wifi > cards replaced so it works with 100% free software. No, it doesn't. It just *hides* the fact that you use non-free software. If you are happy with that, fine, but please

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 01:25:31PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > >> >> Similarly, I think it would be reasonable for someone to want to provide > >> >> entirely free Debian media along with a libre laptop. > >> > > >> >Does this exist in the real world? Which hardware would such a system > >>

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Pirate Praveen
2022, ഏപ്രിൽ 20 1:14:14 PM IST, Andrey Rahmatullin ൽ എഴുതി >On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 12:55:44PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: >> >> Similarly, I think it would be reasonable for someone to want to provide >> >> entirely free Debian media along with a libre laptop. >> > >> >Does this exist in the

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 12:55:44PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > >> Similarly, I think it would be reasonable for someone to want to provide > >> entirely free Debian media along with a libre laptop. > > > >Does this exist in the real world? Which hardware would such a system > >contain? > >

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-20 Thread Pirate Praveen
2022, ഏപ്രിൽ 20 2:19:21 AM IST, Bastian Blank ൽ എഴുതി >> Similarly, I think it would be reasonable for someone to want to provide >> entirely free Debian media along with a libre laptop. > >Does this exist in the real world? Which hardware would such a system >contain? liberated.computer it

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-19 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi Sam On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 02:05:20PM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: > Marc> Would that not be possible by having an image WITH firmware > Marc> and an installer asking whether the user wants a free or a > Marc> usable system? > For example I would thinki it would be entirely

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 19, Sam Hartman wrote: > For example I would thinki it would be entirely reasonable for someone > to want to include a version of Debian installer for use with qemu in an > environment that needed to be DFSG free. > Similarly, I think it would be reasonable for someone to want to provide

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-19 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Marc" == Marc Haber writes: Marc> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:21:10 -0600, Sam Hartman Marc> Marc> wrote: >> One valuable suggestion was to make sure users could easily >> select freedom if that's what they wanted. So I think a free >> installation image is important.

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-19 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:21:10 -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: >One valuable suggestion was to make sure users could easily select >freedom if that's what they wanted. >So I think a free installation image is important. Would that not be possible by having an image WITH firmware and an installer asking

Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-19 Thread Sam Hartman
Steve> 3. We could stop pretending that the non-free images are Steve> unofficial, and maybe move them alongside the normal free Steve> images so they're published together. This would make them Steve> easier to find for people that need them, but is likely to Steve> cause