Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Charles, On 10-04-13 00:56, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:54:14PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the FTP assistants. That would include publishing the

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 09.04.2013, 17:54 +0200 schrieb Bernd Zeimetz: Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the FTP assistants. That would include publishing the contents of the NEW queue, at least to all Debian

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Nicolas Dandrimont
* Joachim Breitner nome...@debian.org [2013-04-10 10:13:25 +0200]: Hi, Am Dienstag, den 09.04.2013, 17:54 +0200 schrieb Bernd Zeimetz: Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the FTP assistants. That

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal document, vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a DMCA safe harbor. Does it mean that it is mandatory that mentors is hosted in USA? Thomas -- To

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal document, vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a DMCA safe harbor. Does it mean

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Jonathan Dowland On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal document, vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a DMCA safe

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal document, vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a DMCA safe harbor. Does it mean

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:36:03AM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont a écrit : For mentors.debian.net, there are two main blockers for a .org transition: - Seeking an answer to this redistribution without verification problem - Making the codebase acceptable for DSA administration The first

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:39PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: - If mentors.debian.org needs to follow the DMCA, why would mentors.debian.net be exempt of it ? It's not, but Debian is not hosting mentors, the .net domain is a forwarding service of sorts, so to take on the responsibility

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:37:39PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal document, vetted by SFLC lawyers,

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Charles Plessy] - If mentors.debian.org needs to follow the DMCA, why would mentors.debian.net be exempt of it ? It's not exempt, but it's also not Debian's problem. - If mentors.debian.org can distribute unreviewed packages by becomming a DMCA safe harbor, wouldn't it be

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:09:16PM -0500, Peter Samuelson a écrit : - If mentors.debian.org can distribute unreviewed packages by becomming a DMCA safe harbor, wouldn't it be possible for ftp-master.debian.org/NEW.html ? The difference is that one is open to the public and the

Crypto export (was: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.)

2013-04-10 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Le Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:36:03AM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont a écrit : - Bonus question: since mentors.debian.net seems to be hosted in Germany, does it mean that developers living in the US should refrain from uploading crypto to it ? How

Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-09 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:54:14PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the FTP assistants. That would include publishing the contents of the NEW queue, at least to all Debian

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/10/2013 06:56 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:54:14PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the FTP assistants. That would include publishing the contents of

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-09 Thread Joey Hess
Charles Plessy wrote: Conversely, the existence of sites such as Ubuntu's PPA, SourceForge, GitHub and many others show that a large number of software providers are confident that a policy of a posteriori removals is sufficient. I do not understand why we do not reach the same conclusion for