Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-15 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
I'll dare to take the other route and ask: what is now holding back software such as mplayer/mencoder, transcode and mjpegtools from entering Debian? Last time mplayer came up on debian-legal (the proper place for questions like this), the problem was unclear licensing. If the unclear

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-12 Thread Eric Dorland
* Florian Weimer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Frederik Dannemare: I'll dare to take the other route and ask: what is now holding back software such as mplayer/mencoder, transcode and mjpegtools from entering Debian? Same as ever, sufficiently influential people oppose it. Well they

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Florian Weimer
Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? How about the other MPEG stuff ? I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. It's all encumbered with patents. Encoders *and* decoders.

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Florian Weimer
* David Balaic: Florian Weimer wrote: Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? How about the other MPEG stuff ? I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. It's all encumbered with patents. Encoders *and* decoders. Yes, but how is then there a ton of MPEG code in debian (Sarge),

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread David Balaic
Florian Weimer wrote: Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? How about the other MPEG stuff ? I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. It's all encumbered with patents. Encoders *and* decoders. Yes, but how is then there a ton of MPEG code in debian (Sarge), but LAME is banned ?

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 11:32:41AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? How about the other MPEG stuff ? I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. It's all encumbered with patents. Encoders *and* decoders. Encoders only, not decoders.

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:06:53PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? How about the other MPEG stuff ? I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. It's all encumbered with patents. Encoders *and* decoders. Encoders only, not

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 01:56:43PM +0100, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:06:53PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? How about the other MPEG stuff ? I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. It's all

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Will Newton
On Saturday 08 Jan 2005 12:56, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: It's all encumbered with patents. Encoders *and* decoders. Encoders only, not decoders. Decoders for anything probably cannot be patented. Really? AFAIR every producent of mobile mp3 player had to pay patent grants, to be

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 01:01:53PM +, Will Newton wrote: On Saturday 08 Jan 2005 12:56, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: It's all encumbered with patents. Encoders *and* decoders. Encoders only, not decoders. Decoders for anything probably cannot be patented. Really? AFAIR

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Will Newton
On Saturday 08 Jan 2005 15:46, Andrew Suffield wrote: And every set top box manufacturer pays for their MPEG-2 (or MPEG-4) licenses. Those are the patents for the transport mechanisms. Still not the decoders. Sigh. You seem to have a talent for picking subjects for argument that you know

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 04:03:37PM +, Will Newton wrote: On Saturday 08 Jan 2005 15:46, Andrew Suffield wrote: And every set top box manufacturer pays for their MPEG-2 (or MPEG-4) licenses. Those are the patents for the transport mechanisms. Still not the decoders. Sigh. You

MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-07 Thread xerces8
Hi! ( sorry for not properly replying, I'm using a webmail ) Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? How about the other MPEG stuff ? I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. Regards, David Balazic

Re: MPEG in general Was: Is anyone packaging `lame' ?

2005-01-07 Thread Chris Cheney
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 11:32:45PM +0100, xerces8 wrote: Hi! ( sorry for not properly replying, I'm using a webmail ) Is only MPEG Layer III patent encumbered ? How about the other MPEG stuff ? I find it hard to believe that it is all patent-free. Regards, David Balazic Its all