Steve == Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
*beep, wrong* :)
update-rc.d -f exim remove
Steve *beep*, *wrong* :)
Steve The problem with update-rc.d -f exim remove is that it
Steve removes *all* the links, not just the S*exim links.
Yes. That's a bug in
Tom Lear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, don't run the daemon at all. When you install exim, rm
/etc/init.d/rc?.d/S*exim and it won't start. Local processes will be
BTW, I think this is what ssh should do if you choose not to run the
daemon on startup (rather than making /etc/init.d/ssh not
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 07:12:07PM -0700, Tom Lear wrote:
BTW, I think this is what ssh should do if you choose not to run the
daemon on startup (rather than making /etc/init.d/ssh not work at all).
I have ssh installed on my laptop, and I don't want it running by
default, but I'd like to be
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:52:46PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA of
some sort (even if it's local-only, which is supported by eximconfig).
This is true, but does it need to be world-accessible?
On 04-May-01, 07:49 (CDT), Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:52:46PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA
of
some sort (even if it's local-only, which is
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 02:49:47PM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:52:46PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA
of some sort (even if it's local-only, which is supported by
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:52:46PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
Sure, don't run the daemon at all. When you install exim, rm
/etc/init.d/rc?.d/S*exim and it won't start. Local processes will be
BTW, I think this is what ssh should do if you choose not to run the
daemon on startup (rather than
On 30 Apr 2001 15:30:48 -0400, Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
As always, that would be true if they weren't installed by default. The
current method requires too much prior knowledge.
This could be put as a question whenever someone installs Debian
GNU/Linux. Something like Do you want to enable
I suspect it's already been discussed before, so I'll ask instead of flaming.
(See! I can learn!)
Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed? For
instance, portmap is installed by default whether you're using NFS or not, and
bnetd runs even if I just installed the
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:29:58PM -0600, Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote:
Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed? For
instance, portmap is installed by default whether you're using NFS or not, and
bnetd runs even if I just installed the package for bnchat. Shouldn't
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run. If
i install exim, it will first configure it for me (prompting me), and
then assume
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it.
That's not true. inetd is depended on by the lame metapackage netbase,
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:43:43PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it.
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run.
Well, not
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:45:44AM +0300, Sami Haahtinen wrote:
The 'exit 0' line in the beginning of the init file is a bad idea. for so many
times i've commented out the '### comment this line to really start the
service' lines. and then after upgrade gotten in to the position where i have
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run.
I may want to look at the package's documentation, or use some tool that's not
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:37:21AM -0500, Warren A. Layton wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it.
I'm not suggesting we ruin anything. exit 0 isn't the only way to disable
something by default.
My main concern is of security. I know a newbie who installed Debian
recently, and he has something like 15 open ports, which wouldn't be a problem
except for the history of these daemons to have
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:37:21AM -0500, Warren A. Layton wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run.
Well, not
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
The question you should be asking is, why is portmap installed by default?
Fortunately, nowadays it can be removed since it's no longer part of
netbase.
--
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:29:58PM -0600, Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote:
I suspect it's already been discussed before, so I'll ask instead of
flaming. (See! I can learn!)
many times before.
Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed?
because if you didn't want it to
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
If there's nothing that depends on portmap, then default to not
installing portmap.
speaking of portmap, debian's portmap is not an insecure thing to run by
default because it is compiled with tcp-wrappers support and rejects all
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:37:21AM -0500, Warren A. Layton wrote:
Well, not everyone that installs ssh wants to run the server (some may
just want to use the client to connect to other machines). This is
just one example; I'm sure that there are many more.
that means either:
1. ssh and sshd
Warren A. Layton wrote:
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:22:47AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:29:58PM -0600, Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote:
Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed?
because if you didn't want it to run, you wouldn't have installed it.
As always, that
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:28:49AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
1. ssh and sshd should be split into separate packages. if it bothers you
enough, file a bug report. i'm happy with the way it is.
or
2. the handful of people who want the ssh client but not the ssh daemon
can learn how to
As always, that would be true if they weren't installed by default. The
current method requires too much prior knowledge.
This could be put as a question whenever someone installs Debian
GNU/Linux. Something like Do you want to enable the installed server
software by default. Beware that this
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:25:34AM -0400, Andres Salomon wrote:
Why would you keep something around if you don't want to run it? Debian
makes the (correct) assumption that if you've installed something, you
want to run it. If i install bind, it will assume i want it to run. If
i install
Actually there are some packages that depend on a mail-transport-agent,
(such as lilo-logrotate-mailx), yet one may not want to have an MTA
running on certain systems. I suppose a dummy or minimal MTA may be
I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA of
some sort
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:22:47AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:29:58PM -0600, Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote:
I suspect it's already been discussed before, so I'll ask instead of
flaming. (See! I can learn!)
many times before.
Why does a server automatically
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:12:59PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
Actually there are some packages that depend on a mail-transport-agent,
(such as lilo-logrotate-mailx), yet one may not want to have an MTA
running on certain systems. I suppose a dummy or minimal MTA may be
I think it's safe to
I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA of
some sort (even if it's local-only, which is supported by eximconfig).
This is true, but does it need to be world-accessible? There should
be a way to either have it listen on localhost only, or not listen on
Sure,
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:52:46PM +, Will Lowe wrote:
I think it's safe to assume that your system MUST have a working MTA of
some sort (even if it's local-only, which is supported by eximconfig).
This is true, but does it need to be world-accessible? There should
be a way to
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