Re: Minutes from the "32bit architectures in Debian"-bof

2015-09-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Helmut Grohne (hel...@subdivi.de) [150831 16:49]: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 03:04:17PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > minutes from the "32bit architectures in Debian" bof right now. > > It is my understanding that it was also agreed that mips and mipsel >

Re: Minutes from the "32bit architectures in Debian"-bof

2015-08-31 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 03:04:17PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > minutes from the "32bit architectures in Debian" bof right now. It is my understanding that it was also agreed that mips and mipsel would be dropped as release architectures after stretch. Yet it seems this was

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-27 Thread Josh Triplett
Ben Hutchings wrote: On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 12:08 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Andreas Barth wrote: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? Discussion that we need to get rid

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-27 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2015-08-27 at 10:45 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Ben Hutchings wrote: On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 12:08 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Andreas Barth wrote: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Josh Triplett
Andreas Barth wrote: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? Discussion that we need to get rid of it one day should be started. Brand-new 32-bit-only x86 hardware is currently being

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 3:08 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: Can we fully support cross-grading to amd64 before we do that? My remaining i386 systems, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, are systems that I've been continuously dist-upgrading for some time precisely because I don't want to rebuild a

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 13:51 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:38:04AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? FWIW,

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andreas Barth: * Florian Weimer (f...@deneb.enyo.de) [150823 17:02]: * Andreas Barth: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? FWIW, for x32, the security team would prefer

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Josh Triplett
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:30:42AM +0200, Julian Taylor wrote: On 26.08.2015 21:08, Josh Triplett wrote: Andreas Barth wrote: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? Discussion

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 12:08 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Andreas Barth wrote: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? Discussion that we need to get rid of it one day should be

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Julian Taylor
On 26.08.2015 21:08, Josh Triplett wrote: Andreas Barth wrote: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? Discussion that we need to get rid of it one day should be started.

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 09:38 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Florian Weimer (f...@deneb.enyo.de) [150823 17:02]: * Andreas Barth: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)?

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Florian Weimer (f...@deneb.enyo.de) [150823 17:02]: * Andreas Barth: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? FWIW, for x32, the security team would prefer if support in the

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [150825 03:09]: Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org writes: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? Discussion that we need to get rid of it one day should be started.

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-26 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:38:04AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? FWIW, for x32, the security team would prefer if support in the Debian

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-25 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 25, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? Discussion that we need to get rid of it one day should be started. Can we fully support cross-grading to

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Andreas Barth aba at ayous.org writes: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? Discussion that we need to get rid of it one day should be started. Eh, is this some sort of conspiracy to make Debian

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Andreas Barth a...@ayous.org writes: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? Discussion that we need to get rid of it one day should be started. Can we fully support cross-grading to amd64 before we

Re: Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-23 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andreas Barth: Specific issues: - for i386, there is still sold new hardware with 32bit-only. Are there open issues for i386 (apart from the 32bit-generic ones)? FWIW, for x32, the security team would prefer if support in the Debian amd64 kernel would remain guarded by a boot-time option.

Minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian-bof

2015-08-20 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi together, minutes from the 32bit architectures in Debian bof right now. Andi 32bit architectures in Debian - 32bit architectures are not going away for the forseeable - Compiling/Linking is the memory-using issue - We need a way to compile/link with more memory Proposal A: - Use cross