Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-24 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 24 May 2019 at 04:01PM +02, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > On 14/05/19 at 14:30 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> I think there's a fairly clear consensus emerging that it's worth having >> things to check when making a build system conversion. Looking at >> debdiff, ditherscope and

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-24 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 14/05/19 at 14:30 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > I think there's a fairly clear consensus emerging that it's worth having > things to check when making a build system conversion. Looking at > debdiff, ditherscope and reproducibility of the build all appear to be > important things to

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 03:22:16PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 02:09:14PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 15.05.2019, 11:31 +0200 schrieb Enrico Zini: Or introduce a lintian check for not using dh. Then the maintainer could override lintian and document

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:31:46AM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote: >... > - if a package has had an inactive and unresponsive maintainer for a >long time, it would indeed be a case for salvaging. > >I could however imagine someone having enough energy to dust off old >packages in the

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-15 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 02:09:14PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 15.05.2019, 11:31 +0200 schrieb Enrico Zini: > > I'd propose to recommend dh as the default build system, and document > > in README.source if there are reasons to use something else. > > > > At that point,

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Zini writes ("Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH"): > I'd propose to recommend dh as the default build system, and document in > README.source if there are reasons to use something else. > > At that point, one could look at README.source to see if changin

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-15 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Mittwoch, den 15.05.2019, 11:31 +0200 schrieb Enrico Zini: > I'd propose to recommend dh as the default build system, and document > in README.source if there are reasons to use something else. > > At that point, one could look at README.source to see if changing > build system would be an

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Enrico Zini (2019-05-15 11:31:46) > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 02:30:52PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > How do we feel about people making build system conversions when > > those conversion make it easier to fix some other bug that they are > > fixing as part of an NMU? > > That is,

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-15 Thread Enrico Zini
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 02:30:52PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > How do we feel about people making build system conversions when those > conversion make it easier to fix some other bug that they are fixing as > part of an NMU? > That is, imagine that a package is mishandling the combination of >

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Scott Kitterman (2019-05-15 04:47:48) > > > On May 15, 2019 1:13:52 AM UTC, Paul Wise wrote: > >On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:31 AM Sam Hartman wrote: > > > >> How do we feel about people making build system conversions when > >> those conversion make it easier to fix some other bug that

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On May 15, 2019 1:13:52 AM UTC, Paul Wise wrote: >On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:31 AM Sam Hartman wrote: > >> How do we feel about people making build system conversions when >those >> conversion make it easier to fix some other bug that they are fixing >as >> part of an NMU? > >If the maintainer

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:31 AM Sam Hartman wrote: > How do we feel about people making build system conversions when those > conversion make it easier to fix some other bug that they are fixing as > part of an NMU? If the maintainer is MIA enough to not express an opinion when asked if adding a

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 02:30:52PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >... > How do we feel about people making build system conversions when those > conversion make it easier to fix some other bug that they are fixing as > part of an NMU? What happens if the maintainer dislikes the change? The

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-14 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Sam, On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 02:30:52PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > So, I think there is an emerging consensus against the idea of people > NMUing a package simply to convert it to dh. > > First, I'd like to explicitly call for any last comments from people who would > like to see us permit

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-14 Thread Sam Hartman
I think there's a fairly clear consensus emerging that it's worth having things to check when making a build system conversion. Looking at debdiff, ditherscope and reproducibility of the build all appear to be important things to consider in such a case. So, I think there is an emerging