Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-30 Thread Stephen Zander
Georg == Georg Lehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg ... What would be wrong with multiple A records in this Georg case? The fact that forwrd DNS != reverse DNS. That is, the PTR record won't necessarily match the name that produced the A record. While not broken, it can have

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-30 Thread Herbert Xu
Stephen Zander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that forwrd DNS != reverse DNS. That is, the PTR record Nobody should be checking forward == reverse(forward), it is reverse == forward(reverse) that is important. -- Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 is out! ( http://www.debian.org/ ) Email: Herbert Xu

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 08:56:37AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: Nobody should be checking forward == reverse(forward), it is reverse == forward(reverse) that is important. s/is important/was important/ Mike Stone

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Jrme Marant
Raphael Hertzog wrote: Le Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 01:57:16PM +0100, Jérôme Marant écrivait: I hope it is for packaging activities and debian-related stuff only. Not really. It is for any free software related project launched by a Debian developer (ie the project request should come from a

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 04:39, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Ben Armstrong wrote: Bah, that's what CNAME is for. that is _NOT_ what a CNAME is for. a CNAME is for when the hostname is in a domain that is OUTSIDE of your control. ie: evil.debian.org - www.msn.com = CNAME (we don't control the

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:58:12PM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 07:07:45AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or Iansmith, to keep both the idea of

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 09:44:17AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: And there's already a Sibelius as a commercial software project; stay away from things that could raise trademark issues that way. I don't think the existence of a commercial product called Sibelius prevents us from naming our

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 09:44:17AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea to improve

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Peter Mathiasson
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 02:15:05PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: And there's already a Sibelius as a commercial software project; stay away from things that could raise trademark issues that way. This isn't about our sourceforge fork package name, it's about the machine name. I thought it was

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 02:25:28PM +0100, Peter Mathiasson wrote: And there's already a Sibelius as a commercial software project; stay away from things that could raise trademark issues that way. This isn't about our sourceforge fork package name, it's about the machine name. I

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: I like maintaining the idea of forge, so my proposal is VULCAN (from Roman mithology). i prefer greek: hephaistos I prefer Greek too, but that means spelling it in Greek. :)

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Russell Coker wrote: that is _NOT_ what a CNAME is for. a CNAME is for when the hostname is in a domain that is OUTSIDE of your control. ie: evil.debian.org - www.msn.com = CNAME (we don't control the msn.com domain) forge.debian.org - quantz.debian.org = A (we control the debian.org

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 07:39:02PM -0800, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: Ben Armstrong wrote: Bah, that's what CNAME is for. that is _NOT_ what a CNAME is for. a CNAME is for when the hostname is in a domain that is OUTSIDE of your control. ie: evil.debian.org - www.msn.com = CNAME (we

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John H. Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: because with a A record one lookup - IP address(es) with a CNAME one lookup - another lookup - IP address(es) CNAME cause you to at least DOUBLE the DNS lookups, DOUBLING the potential timeouts, DOUBLING dns load can you do it? certainly.

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 01:11:34PM -0800, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: because with a A record one lookup - IP address(es) with a CNAME one lookup - another lookup - IP address(es) CNAME cause you to at least DOUBLE the DNS lookups, DOUBLING the potential timeouts, DOUBLING dns load Not

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-29 Thread Georg Lehner
Hello! El vie, 29-11-2002 a las 16:38, Joel Baker escribió: ... And, by the way, that *is* one of the uses of a CNAME. To allow things such as service names (www, ftp, etc) to point to a single IP, which might have one of those names, or something else, as it's formal name. ... What would be

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Drew Parsons
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 12:01:15PM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:55:56AM +0100, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote: On Nov/27, Emile van Bergen wrote: What about Avalon? Both a composer (well, hmm) and the place where Excalibur was forged. Being

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Oohara! You wrote: Why does Debian host the Sourceforge site? I don't see anything between sf.net and debian.org . You misunderstand. Debian will host _its_own_ sourforge-like environment, for developers. -- Kind regards,

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 06:42:27PM +1100, Drew Parsons wrote: How about hollin.debian.org, or eregion.debian.org, the Elfen kingdom outside Moria (what language was speak friend, and enter written in?) Elfic? The line below the heading is written in Sindarin, the language of the elves, in

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:54:52AM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: Why does Debian host the Sourceforge site? I don't see anything between sf.net and debian.org . You misunderstand. Debian will host _its_own_ sourforge-like environment, for developers. Not just for developers, for everyone

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Jérôme Marant
Josip Rodin wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 10:54:52AM +0100, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: Why does Debian host the Sourceforge site? I don't see anything between sf.net and debian.org . You misunderstand. Debian will host _its_own_ sourforge-like environment, for developers. Not just for

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 05:34:20PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: hey how about something much less cryptic like forge. Nothing worse than having to guess what woman's name some silly coder named the program I am looking for. And since most of us aren't French the names mean very

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Ben Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-11-28 10:49]: Bah, that's what CNAME is for. We have www. cvs. etc. Sure, give the system hosting the service a generic CNAME pointer, but a system's canonical name itself has to have some character. The machine itself has a name already (quantz). --

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:11:26PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: The machine itself has a name already (quantz). Oh, I retract my objection then. If the machine has a name already, why bother naming the service something obscure? Service names should be easy to remember. Ben -- nSLUG

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
The machine itself has a name already (quantz). yes :) but maybe it will be better to do some IN A records? In this way, ping cvs.sth.debian.org will ping cvs.sth.debian.org, not quantz.debian.org (I mean address which ping show). -- Mati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sounds like a Windows problem,

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Roland Mas
Ben Armstrong (2002-11-28 11:14:50 -0400) : On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:11:26PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: The machine itself has a name already (quantz). Oh, I retract my objection then. If the machine has a name already, why bother naming the service something obscure? Service names

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:34:45PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Ben Armstrong (2002-11-28 11:14:50 -0400) : Oh, I retract my objection then. If the machine has a name already, why bother naming the service something obscure? Service names should be easy to remember. Think non-us or

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Roland Mas
Ben Armstrong (2002-11-28 11:37:44 -0400) : On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:34:45PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Ben Armstrong (2002-11-28 11:14:50 -0400) : Oh, I retract my objection then. If the machine has a name already, why bother naming the service something obscure? Service names should be

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Roland Mas [Wed, Nov 27 2002, 11:03:58AM]: The code is almost ready, the server itself should be OK soon (if not already), and Wichert and I even managed to find a time where both of us can be on the same IRC network at the same time. Now for the *real* important

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Michael Banck
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:54:04PM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Oh, and by the way, it can't be quantz, since it won't have the same IP address. IMHO we should go with a french composer (or whatever the scheme was) as the machine name, and something simple like 'sf' as the service name. Michael

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 01:57:16PM +0100, Jérôme Marant écrivait: I hope it is for packaging activities and debian-related stuff only. Not really. It is for any free software related project launched by a Debian developer (ie the project request should come from a Debian developer). Of course,

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-28 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Ben Armstrong wrote: Bah, that's what CNAME is for. that is _NOT_ what a CNAME is for. a CNAME is for when the hostname is in a domain that is OUTSIDE of your control. ie: evil.debian.org - www.msn.com = CNAME (we don't control the msn.com domain) forge.debian.org - quantz.debian.org = A (we

Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Roland Mas
Hi all, As some of you probably know, some people are in the process of installing a Sourceforge site on a Debian machine. It will consist of a slightly patched version of the 2.6 branch of the Debian package sourceforge, with a few scripts to help integration with existing infrastructure

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Jérôme Marant
Roland Mas wrote: Hi all, Hello, As some of you probably know, some people are in the process of installing a Sourceforge site on a Debian machine. It will consist of a slightly patched version of the 2.6 branch of the Debian package sourceforge, with a few scripts to help integration with

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Arjen Wiersma
Roland, Roland - Your idea here. What about 'meiinoar' which means 'together' in frisian (a language, some argue a dialect ;), in the Netherlands)... Regards, Arjen

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Glenn McGrath
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:03:58 +0100 Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Your idea here. Trinity, re the Matrix Glenn

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Francesco Paolo Lovergine
I like maintaining the idea of forge, so my proposal is VULCAN (from Roman mithology). He was the God of volcanic fire and of metal work. He was the son of Hera (and maybe Zeus).(Some say that Hera gave birth to Hephaestus alone because she was angry with Zeus, because Athena was born out of Zeus'

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Current candidates include: - Actarus: Actarus is the pilot of Goldorak/Grendizer/what's it called in your language. No particular reason except that it was a very famous cartoon here in France some ten-fifteen years ago. Alcor

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: Hi all, As some of you probably know, some people are in the process of installing a Sourceforge site on a Debian machine. It will consist of a slightly patched version of the 2.6 branch of the Debian package

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Roberto Suarez Soto
On Nov/27, Emile van Bergen wrote: What about Avalon? Both a composer (well, hmm) and the place where Excalibur was forged. Being about forging, Orodruin comes also to mind ;-) -- Roberto Suarez Soto Alfa21 Outsourcing [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:55:56AM +0100, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote: On Nov/27, Emile van Bergen wrote: What about Avalon? Both a composer (well, hmm) and the place where Excalibur was forged. Being about forging, Orodruin comes also to mind ;-) Yes, although there's already

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: [snip] - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea to improve that line is

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 07:07:45AM -0500, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:03:58AM +0100, Roland Mas wrote: - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. Unfortunately, plenty of people

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Michael Furr
On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 05:03, Roland Mas wrote: - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea to improve that line is welcome. Maybe

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Michael Furr wrote: On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 05:03, Roland Mas wrote: - Another idea I had was something along the lines of Debsmith or Iansmith, to keep both the idea of Debian and the idea of the forge. Unfortunately, plenty of people are called that way. Any idea

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Marcin Owsiany
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:24:10AM +0100, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: I like maintaining the idea of forge, so my proposal is VULCAN (from Roman mithology). He was the God of volcanic fire and of metal work. Maybe lemnos? This is where he used to work... Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany [EMAIL

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: I like maintaining the idea of forge, so my proposal is VULCAN (from Roman mithology). i prefer greek: hephaistos then there is the Celtic mythos: brigid Irish (Bride in Scotland), great triple goddess. Fire goddess and crafts-smith. Christians turned her

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Marcin Owsiany wrote: He was the God of volcanic fire and of metal work. Maybe lemnos? This is where he used to work... I thought the forge of Vulcan was Mt. Aetna in Sicily? The original volcano. Hey there's another Debian connection: we are also known for producing

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Wednesday 27 November 2002 02:03, Roland Mas wrote: Current candidates include: hey how about something much less cryptic like forge. Nothing worse than having to guess what woman's name some silly coder named the program I am looking for. And since most of us aren't French the names

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Penny
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 05:34:20PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On Wednesday 27 November 2002 02:03, Roland Mas wrote: Current candidates include: hey how about something much less cryptic like forge. Nothing worse than having to guess what woman's name some silly coder named the

Re: Pick a name, any name...

2002-11-27 Thread Oohara Yuuma
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:03:58 +0100, Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As some of you probably know, some people are in the process of installing a Sourceforge site on a Debian machine. It will consist of a slightly patched version of the 2.6 branch of the Debian package sourceforge, with