Re: Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-07-25 Thread Karsten Malcher
Hi, just have a look here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605133 Obviously there is no interest for a package manager in X any more. So back to the roots with aptitude ... ;-) Or maybe the idea is that Debian has to be a distribution for servers only? Here is no response in

Re: Bug#667703: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-21 Thread Joey Hess
Filipus Klutiero wrote: I tested d-i last week and accidentally installled GNOME. This allowed me to confirm that GNOME does not pull Synaptic in testing. gnome-core depends on nautilus, which recommends synaptic. Unless such recommends are being skipped by something, it should be installed.

Re: Bug#667703: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-21 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Hi, I also installed few times already wheezy with GNOME and there was never synaptic (PackageKit was the default). Cheers, zlatan On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Joey Hess jo...@debian.org wrote: Filipus Klutiero wrote: I tested d-i last week and accidentally installled GNOME. This

Re: Bug#667703: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-21 Thread Per Olofsson
2012-07-21 18:37, Joey Hess skrev: gnome-core depends on nautilus, which recommends synaptic. Unless such recommends are being skipped by something, it should be installed. nautilus (3.2.1-2) unstable; urgency=low ... - Drop Recommends on synaptic and app-install-data. We no longer call

Re: Bug#667703: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-21 Thread Joey Hess
Per Olofsson wrote: 2012-07-21 18:37, Joey Hess skrev: gnome-core depends on nautilus, which recommends synaptic. Unless such recommends are being skipped by something, it should be installed. nautilus (3.2.1-2) unstable; urgency=low ... - Drop Recommends on synaptic and

Re: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-07-19 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-06-27 11:34, Filipus Klutiero wrote: On 2012-04-05 20:20, Filipus Klutiero wrote: This didn't generate as much feedback as I hoped, but I filed a ticket asking task-desktop to install synaptic: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667703 Joey Hess changed tasks to bring

Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-06-27 Thread Filipus Klutiero
On 2012-04-05 20:20, Filipus Klutiero wrote: This didn't generate as much feedback as I hoped, but I filed a ticket asking task-desktop to install synaptic: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667703 Joey Hess changed tasks to bring Synaptic in KDE, LXDE and Xfce. Only the GNOME

Re: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)))

2012-06-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! How odd that I didn't notice that bug... (I'm the GPK/PK maintainer) Well, I think pulling in Synaptic on KDE might be a bad idea, probably KDE desktop packages should pull in Apper instead, a KDE package manager based on PackageKit and fully integrated into the KDE desktop. It does not

Apper instead of Synaptic for KDE (was Re: Mostly solved (was Re: Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy))))

2012-06-27 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Matthias, On 2012-06-27 14:54, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Hi! How odd that I didn't notice that bug... (I'm the GPK/PK maintainer) Well, I think pulling in Synaptic on KDE might be a bad idea, probably KDE desktop packages should pull in Apper instead, a KDE package manager based on PackageKit

Filed (Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy))

2012-04-05 Thread Filipus Klutiero
This didn't generate as much feedback as I hoped, but I filed a ticket asking task-desktop to install synaptic: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667703 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-04-01 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Jon, Jon Dowland wrote: A Debian desktop should be a superset of KDE-desktop | GNOME-desktop | LXDE-desktop etc. + things such as a GUI package manager. I am not sure what you mean by that, but task-desktop already looks like what you may have in mind. It recommends task-gnome-desktop |

Re: Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-04-01 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Goswin, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Jon Dowlandj...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 02:30:37PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Shouldn't there rather be a base-desktop that both KDE-desktop and GNOME-desktop depend on? A meta package that depends on everything any

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 30 mars 2012 à 22:12 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Gnome-desktop, not gnome. Gnome-desktop would depend on base-deskop and gnome and maybe a few more gnome-ish things that aren't in gnome. I’d appreciate if you could stop beating a horse that’s been dead since before the

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le vendredi 30 mars 2012 à 22:12 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : Gnome-desktop, not gnome. Gnome-desktop would depend on base-deskop and gnome and maybe a few more gnome-ish things that aren't in gnome. I’d appreciate if you could stop

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 31 mars 2012 à 17:10 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : So your answere to There is no garphical package manager being installed for the desktop is there is no problem? It’s the KDE team’s problem. If they feel like a low-lever package manager is not necessary for their desktop,

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! As PackageKit maintainer, I would like to say that we have GNOME-PackageKit as high-lever package manager and Synaptic as low-level PM for GNOME, and that Apper as a high-level package manager is available on KDE. So, I don't really see a problem with package-managers itself here, you would

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On 27/03/12 17:09, Filipus Klutiero wrote: So what do others think? I think that we need to separate the notion of a debian desktop from the GNOME or KDE desktops. Synaptic is probably quite rightly not part of either, but I agree that a default desktop

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-30 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 02:30:37PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Shouldn't there rather be a base-desktop that both KDE-desktop and GNOME-desktop depend on? A meta package that depends on everything any desktop should have. I'm not sure if that's the right direction of dependency,

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 02:30:37PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Shouldn't there rather be a base-desktop that both KDE-desktop and GNOME-desktop depend on? A meta package that depends on everything any desktop should have. I'm not sure if that's the

Re: Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-28 Thread Jon Dowland
On 27/03/12 17:09, Filipus Klutiero wrote: So what do others think? I think that we need to separate the notion of a debian desktop from the GNOME or KDE desktops. Synaptic is probably quite rightly not part of either, but I agree that a default desktop via install should provide a GUI

Preinstalled package manager(s) for PCs (wheezy)

2012-03-27 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi, 3 days ago I installed wheezy on my laptop. The day after I realized that no graphical APT front-end was installed. Usually, I just install Synaptic as a habit, but this time I was surprised I had to do that as I was specifically testing the completeness of our KDE meta-packages and had