Le lundi, 27 août 2012 19.21:22, Andrew Shadura a écrit :
Hello,
(As a Tcler I have to comment on this.)
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:36:43 +0200 Didier Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
(Do you really have to comment on a 10-months old dead thread?)
1) Forget about jimtcl, rely on existing tcl
Hello,
(As a Tcler I have to comment on this.)
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:36:43 +0200
Didier Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
1) Forget about jimtcl, rely on existing tcl interpreters
This is mostly repacking to avoid the embedded jimtcl copy, no
packaging of it, go on as is done
Hello,
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:59:36 -0400
Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@ubuntu.com wrote:
It also doesn't solve a second case we're trying to cover: the fact
that usb-modeswitch would be the only package in the boot path on
*Ubuntu* that would rely on Tcl. That's another reason why a
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 07:21:22PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
3) Embed jimtcl using the internal copy
This means taking the upstream tarball as is.
Pros: small standalone -dispatcher binary.
Cons: code duplication, potential security issues with
out-of-date jimtcl
Hello,
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 01:48:17PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
Virtual machine networking works just fine for me with virt-manager and
network-manager.
As far as I know not (fully) for the bridged setup [0]: NM recognized
the bridge, but since it doesn't have a link status [1], VPNs are
2011/10/18 Yves-Alexis Perez cor...@debian.org:
Not sure it'd help in this case but imho this is the case only on
laptops. People installing desktop usually don't need a 3G modem (and if
they do, they can manually install it). I'm not even sure
network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I already know a lot of people whose only desktop machine
network connection is a 3G dongle, since unlimited data with it is
about half the price of ADSL connection.
My parents have been using USB 3G net access on their
On jeu., 2011-10-20 at 18:58 +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I already know a lot of people whose only desktop machine
network connection is a 3G dongle, since unlimited data with it is
about half the price of ADSL
* Roland Mas lola...@debian.org [2011-10-18 18:46]:
I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
but eh.
$ LANG=C aptitude why network-manager
i gnome-coreDepends network-manager-gnome (= 0.8.999)
i A network-manager-gnome Depends network-manager (=
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 06:46:26PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
Yves-Alexis Perez, 2011-10-18 18:35:04 +0200 :
I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
but eh.
$ LANG=C aptitude why network-manager
i gnome-coreDepends network-manager-gnome (= 0.8.999)
Hi all again,
first of all, thanks for the healthy discussion.
Now, given the feedback, I plan to go with the brand new option 6 which is an
option 2, done right (eh, IMHO).
6) Allow interpretation using separate libjim, from jimtcl
This means packaging jimtcl and allow the
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 11:22 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 06:46:26PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
Yves-Alexis Perez, 2011-10-18 18:35:04 +0200 :
I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
but eh.
$ LANG=C aptitude why network-manager
i
Hi all,
while upgrading the usb-modeswitch package to 1.2.0 [0] (currently in beta),
I noticed that it is now embedding the jimtcl interpreter [1]: at build-
time, the usb-modeswitch dispatcher (currently written in Tcl), can now be
embedded in a binary that contains: a tailored jimtcl
On Oct 18, Didier Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
Cons: does not solve the desktop install needs tcl interpreter.
Is this actually a problem? TCL is 2 MB, how big is jimtcl?
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On mar., 2011-10-18 at 13:36 +0200, Didier Raboud wrote:
What's your opinion ?
Drop usb-modeswitch completely from the default desktop install?
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Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Oct 18, Didier Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
Cons: does not solve the desktop install needs tcl interpreter.
Is this actually a problem? TCL is 2 MB, how big is jimtcl?
jimsh is 240k.
usb-modeswitch-dispatcher compiled with its embedded jimtcl interpreter
(that
Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
Drop usb-modeswitch completely from the default desktop install?
network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
network-manager wants modemmanager to handle mobile network modems.
modemmanager wants usb-modeswitch because most mobile network modems
Hi!
On 10/18/2011 01:36 PM, Didier Raboud wrote:
1) Forget about jimtcl, rely on existing tcl interpreters
This is mostly repacking to avoid the embedded jimtcl copy, no
packaging of it, go on as is done currently; by relying on existing tcl
interpreters.
Pros: easy,
Didier Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
Let's also note as context that the goal of this trick (AFAIUI) is to avoid
having a tcl interpreter pulled up to first CDs;
The modemmanager package that people typically use with USB 3G modems is
already in CD#5.
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Didier Raboud o...@debian.org wrote:
[...]
== Propositions ==
So in order to solve this smartly, I think there are basically 5
possibilities:
1) Forget about jimtcl, rely on existing tcl interpreters
This is mostly repacking to avoid the embedded jimtcl
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes (Re: RFC: usb-modeswitch 1.2.0 release embedding
jimtcl):
Didier Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
Let's also note as context that the goal of this trick (AFAIUI) is to avoid
having a tcl interpreter pulled up to first CDs;
The modemmanager package that people
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
The modemmanager package that people typically use with USB 3G modems is
already in CD#5.
Isn't that already a problem ?
It is, I just tried to illustrate how bad the situation currently is:
The size issue was brought up by the Ubuntu people IIRC in the context of
their Live CD which should include usb_modeswitch.
To clear up my position regarding some of the other points mentioned:
* The upstream source package will offer two easy ways of installation
(covering 1 2 3). The
On mar., 2011-10-18 at 15:55 +0200, Didier Raboud wrote:
Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
Drop usb-modeswitch completely from the default desktop install?
network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
network-manager wants modemmanager to handle mobile network modems.
Yves-Alexis Perez, 2011-10-18 18:35:04 +0200 :
[...]
I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
but eh.
$ LANG=C aptitude why network-manager
i gnome-coreDepends network-manager-gnome (= 0.8.999)
i A network-manager-gnome Depends network-manager (= 0.9)
]] Didier Raboud
| network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
This sounds like the bug, then. Recommends is «The Recommends field
should list packages that would be found together with this one in all
but unusual installations.» and I belive that the use of NM/MM with
a
Am Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011, 17:03:02 schrieb Ian Jackson:
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes (Re: RFC: usb-modeswitch 1.2.0 release
embedding jimtcl):
Didier Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
Let's also note as context that the goal of this trick (AFAIUI) is to
avoid having a tcl interpreter
Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Didier Raboud
| network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
This sounds like the bug, then. Recommends is «The Recommends field
should list packages that would be found together with this one in all
but unusual installations.» and I
]] Didier Raboud
| Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
|
| ]] Didier Raboud
|
| | network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
|
| This sounds like the bug, then. Recommends is «The Recommends field
| should list packages that would be found together with this one in all
|
Am 18.10.2011 21:16, schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
]] Didier Raboud
|
| usb-modeswitch being mostly useful for 3G USB dongles, I don't understand
| where you want the s/Recommends/Suggests/.
modemmanager shouldn't recommend usb-modeswitch, but suggest it.
The problem then is, that users
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