Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On 2019-06-27 07:32:04, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > > On 26/06/19 23.09, Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov wrote: > > ГI'd say that we should never be touching anything like this. > > вт, 25 июн. 2019 г., 7:57 Bagas Sanjaya : > > In order to inform to users, especially parents, about potential

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On 26/06/19 23.09, Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov wrote: ГI'd say that we should never be touching anything like this. вт, 25 июн. 2019 г., 7:57 Bagas Sanjaya >: In order to inform to users, especially parents, about potentially objectionable content in Debian packa

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

чт, 27 июн. 2019 г. в 03:32, Bagas Sanjaya : > > > On 26/06/19 23.09, Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov wrote: > > ГI'd say that we should never be touching anything like this. > > вт, 25 июн. 2019 г., 7:57 Bagas Sanjaya : >> >> In order to inform to users, especially parents, about potentially >> objection

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

ГI'd say that we should never be touching anything like this. вт, 25 июн. 2019 г., 7:57 Bagas Sanjaya : > In order to inform to users, especially parents, about potentially > objectionable content in Debian packages, Content > Rating System (CRS) can be deployed to Debian. With CRS, users can ch

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Am Mi., 26. Juni 2019 um 10:40 Uhr schrieb Bagas Sanjaya : > > On 25/06/19 20.19, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > > [...] > > So APT need to do what you mention, that is determining age rating not > only based on AppStream metadata, but also on system locale? Yes. Since the things that determine age rati

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On 25/06/19 20.19, Matthias Klumpp wrote: Am Di., 25. Juni 2019 um 11:51 Uhr schrieb Bagas Sanjaya : Simon McVittie: Appstream metadata, which is canonically provided by upstreams and is distro- and package-type-agnostic (available in at least apt and Flatpak), has this as an optional field f

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Dear Bagas, On 26.06.19 04:50, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > Emmanuel Arias: >> IMO this idea represent a big work. And if you want to involved upstream, >> maybe will be a problem. Some upstream, could not be interest on participate >> because could be a "extra" work. But if we implement a content rat

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Bagas Sanjaya writes: > Regarding freedom, yes it can be affected by CRS because CRS can limit > freedom to use programs for some users > (particularly non-adults). But CRS limit such freedom in order to protect > psychology users for long term from negative > impacts of programs they used.

Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Emmanuel Arias: IMO this idea represent a big work. And if you want to involved upstream, maybe will be a problem. Some upstream, could not be interest on participate because could be a "extra" work. But if we implement a content rating system, the freedom could be affected because the opinion

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On 6/25/19 8:27 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 11:40:04AM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: >> Based on above, what are your opinions/thoughts/positions about Content >> Rating System in Debian? > just NO. please create a fork and leave Debian without this. Hard but necessary respo

Re: Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Am Di., 25. Juni 2019 um 11:51 Uhr schrieb Bagas Sanjaya : > > Simon McVittie: > > Appstream metadata, which is canonically provided by upstreams and is > distro- and package-type-agnostic (available in at least apt and Flatpak), > has this as an optional field for self-rating: > > https://www.free

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Hi, On Tue, 2019-06-25 at 11:40 +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > Based on above, what are your opinions/thoughts/positions about > Content Rating System in Debian? is this related to your other proposal involving giving "sudo" permissions to teenagers to handle this age recommendation stuff for TV p

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 11:40:04AM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > Based on above, what are your opinions/thoughts/positions about Content > Rating System in Debian? just NO. please create a fork and leave Debian without this. -- tschau, Holger --

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 12:43:56PM +0200, Paride Legovini wrote: > My question is: are we trying to solve an actual problem here? No, and please note that the author is not even a Debian user: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2019/06/msg00376.html -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PG

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Bagas Sanjaya wrote on 25/06/2019: > Hello Debian Developers, > > Debian provides more than 51000 packages. From those packages, some are > appropriate for every ages, and some others are > only for specific age groups for some reasons. > > In order to inform to users, especially parents, about

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 16:33:53 +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote: > There are no age classifications, however. So based on content_rating tag on > AppStream metadata, we can add logic to apt in order to determine age rating > for our packages. I think this would be unwise. We can never get this right, b

Re: Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Simon McVittie: Appstream metadata, which is canonically provided by upstreams and is distro- and package-type-agnostic (available in at least apt and Flatpak), has this as an optional field for self-rating: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/chap-Metadata.html#tag-content_ratin

Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Am Di., 25. Juni 2019 um 10:15 Uhr schrieb Simon McVittie : > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 09:31:44 +0200, Philip Hands wrote: > > Also, it seems clear to me that the same game in all Linux disros is > > very likely to get the same rating, so this would be better done as a > > distribution agnostic lev

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On 25/06/19 14.31, Philip Hands wrote: Bagas Sanjaya writes: Russ Allbery: It sounds like a whole ton of work to get a useful amount of coverage (not to mention bothering upstreams with questionnaires that I suspect many of them would find irritating -- I certainly would with my upstream hat

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Philipp Kern writes: > On 2019-06-25 09:31, Philip Hands wrote: >>> Russ Allbery: It sounds like a whole ton of work to get a useful amount of coverage (not to mention bothering upstreams with questionnaires that I suspect many of them would find irritating -- I certain

Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 09:31:44 +0200, Philip Hands wrote: > Also, it seems clear to me that the same game in all Linux disros is > very likely to get the same rating, so this would be better done as a > distribution agnostic level Appstream metadata, which is canonically provided by upstreams and

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

On 2019-06-25 09:31, Philip Hands wrote: Russ Allbery: It sounds like a whole ton of work to get a useful amount of coverage (not to mention bothering upstreams with questionnaires that I suspect many of them would find irritating -- I certainly would with my upstream hat on), and I'm not clea

Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Philip Hands writes: > What is it going to cost us to get 'bison' rated PG? Why is this > useful? Erm, not 'PG' -- I meant whatever the "Anyone can watch this" label is. Although, I guess one could perhaps argue PG for bison: One could use it to build something that generates offensive cont

Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Bagas Sanjaya writes: > Russ Allbery: >> It sounds like a whole ton of work to get a useful amount of coverage (not >> to mention bothering upstreams with questionnaires that I suspect many of >> them would find irritating -- I certainly would with my upstream hat on), >> and I'm not clear on the

Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Russ Allbery: It sounds like a whole ton of work to get a useful amount of coverage (not to mention bothering upstreams with questionnaires that I suspect many of them would find irritating -- I certainly would with my upstream hat on), and I'm not clear on the benefit. Do you have some reason t

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

Bagas Sanjaya writes: > Based on above, what are your opinions/thoughts/positions about Content > Rating System in Debian? It sounds like a whole ton of work to get a useful amount of coverage (not to mention bothering upstreams with questionnaires that I suspect many of them would find irritati