Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-07-01 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Bart, On Thu, Jul 01, 2021 at 02:04:14PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > > I agree that the ITP->RFP script was helpful to change the status of the > > bug and it would be good to check if this keeps on working. > > My script doesn't do that anymore. That is intentional. For many ITPs without >

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-07-01 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, sorry for the late reply. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 09:36:58PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:05:02AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > But WNPP is problematic on its own: Right now, we have 1586 normal > > priority open bugs, 4613 wishlist open bugs (what would the

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-18 Thread Stephan Lachnit
On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:01 PM Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > On 2021-06-14 16:22:31 +0200 (+0200), Stephan Lachnit wrote: > [...] > > How about sending a digest of a potential debian-itp to d-d on a > > weekly basis? I think we wouldn't lose any reviews with this, I > > would even go as far and

Re: filtering ITP in debian-devel (was: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?)

2021-06-18 Thread Andrej Shadura
Hi, On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, at 09:57, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 01:05:57PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > I've read numerous people complaining about filtering. If I'm not > > mistaking, the BTS adds this header: > > > > X-Debian-PR-Package: wnpp > > > > so filtering

Re: filtering ITP in debian-devel (was: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?)

2021-06-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 01:05:57PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > I've read numerous people complaining about filtering. If I'm not > mistaking, the BTS adds this header: > > X-Debian-PR-Package: wnpp > > so filtering based on that seems to be a much nicer way than just using > the subject line.

Re: filtering ITP in debian-devel (was: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?)

2021-06-15 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 6/11/21 12:17 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > When I subscribed > to debian-devel directly, I most often filtered ITP mail into a separate > mailbox, to read at separate times. I've read numerous people complaining about filtering. If I'm not mistaking, the BTS adds this header:

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 12:26:09AM -0400, Nicholas D Steeves wrote: > Honestly I thought that being able to cope with > large quantities of email--researching new solutions and implementing > them if necessary--was part of job description of doing Debian work, I don't like this kind of phrasing.

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-14 Thread Nicholas D Steeves
Thomas Goirand writes: > On 6/12/21 1:06 PM, Marc Haber wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:04:21 +0300, Nicholas Guriev >> wrote: >>> For the record, the latest digest of the debian-devel@ list #194 >>> consists of 17 emails. 13 of them are ITP forwards, the remaining 4 >>> emails are about ITP

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:01:32 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: >If these were aggregated into a digest, fitting the names of all the >relevant software into the subject would be unlikely a lot of the >time. As such, list subscribers are far less likely to spot one for >software they might care about.

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-14 Thread Geert Stappers
On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 04:22:31PM +0200, Stephan Lachnit wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 4:26 PM Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > > To be honest, I think if we did that we'd lose just about all the > > reviews that currently happen. The whole point of sending ITPs to > > d-devel is that they will be

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-14 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2021-06-14 16:22:31 +0200 (+0200), Stephan Lachnit wrote: [...] > How about sending a digest of a potential debian-itp to d-d on a > weekly basis? I think we wouldn't lose any reviews with this, I > would even go as far and claim that there will be more reviews, > since it's less of an

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-14 Thread Stephan Lachnit
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 4:26 PM Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Jon Dowland wrote: > > > >I think the ITP mails can make reading the rest of the list difficult > >without extra local filtering or steps. Some times they are the > >majority of the list traffic. I think it would be better if > >ITP mail

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:05:02AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > I concur with Steve. Often, I decide to ignore ITPs, or get annoyed or > overwhelmed when very prolific teams (hi nodejs!) announce and set to > package hundreds of packages I won't have any interest on. Yeah; I often ignore ITPs too.

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:28:33PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Wouldn't it just be far simpler for those who wish not to receive the > ITPs to filter them out to a subfolder of debian-devel or discard them? Others have covered the specifics of NNTP here; and at least one person has

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2021-06-14 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 01:45:20PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > To be honest, I think if we did that we'd lose just about all the > reviews that currently happen. The whole point of sending ITPs to > d-devel is that they will be seen by a wider audience, but I can't see > many signing up for YA

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-13 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 6/12/21 1:06 PM, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:04:21 +0300, Nicholas Guriev > wrote: >> For the record, the latest digest of the debian-devel@ list #194 >> consists of 17 emails. 13 of them are ITP forwards, the remaining 4 >> emails are about ITP forwarding. > > This is an

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-13 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2021-06-12 Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2021/06/11 12:33, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Jonathan explained that it wasn't easy for him due to reading over NNTP > > and I also think that it's a bad default to have lists where custom > > filtering is desirable for many. > Ah, I haven't used NNTP in

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-12 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2021/06/11 12:33, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Jonathan explained that it wasn't easy for him due to reading over NNTP > and I also think that it's a bad default to have lists where custom > filtering is desirable for many. Ah, I haven't used NNTP in 22 years so the details to its limitations have

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-12 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:04:21 +0300, Nicholas Guriev wrote: >For the record, the latest digest of the debian-devel@ list #194 >consists of 17 emails. 13 of them are ITP forwards, the remaining 4 >emails are about ITP forwarding. This is an exceptional day. debian-devel usually doesn't see that

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Nicholas Guriev
For the record, the latest digest of the debian-devel@ list #194 consists of 17 emails. 13 of them are ITP forwards, the remaining 4 emails are about ITP forwarding. And Evolution, due to a bug[1], opens the digest for 2 minutes 14 seconds. ️ If the ITP reports went to a different list,

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:05:02AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > But WNPP is problematic on its own: Right now, we have 1586 normal > priority open bugs, 4613 wishlist open bugs (what would the difference > be? It seems *most* normal are O and RFA, while ITPs, RFPs and such > are mostly wishlist...

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve McIntyre dijo [Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 01:45:20PM +]: > >I think the ITP mails can make reading the rest of the list difficult > >without extra local filtering or steps. Some times they are the > >majority of the list traffic. I think it would be better if > >ITP mail went to a separate,

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi Jon! Jon Dowland wrote: > >ITP bugs are copied to debian-devel@. The intention, I think, is to make >sure that they have many eyes on them. ITP bugs often get feedback from >readers of debian-devel. > >I think this is valuable. However, it's one job/task/role, and sometimes >One wishes to

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 11 Jun 2021, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Wouldn't it just be far simpler for those who wish not to receive the > ITPs to filter them out to a subfolder of debian-devel or discard them? Jonathan explained that it wasn't easy for him due to reading over NNTP and I also think that it's a

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2021/06/11 12:17, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > ITP bugs are copied to debian-devel@. The intention, I think, is to make > sure that they have many eyes on them.  ITP bugs often get feedback from > readers of debian-devel. > > I think this is valuable. However, it's one job/task/role, and

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:17 am, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi, ITP bugs are copied to debian-devel@. The intention, I think, is to make sure that they have many eyes on them. ITP bugs often get feedback from readers of debian-devel. I think this is valuable. However, it's one

Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi, ITP bugs are copied to debian-devel@. The intention, I think, is to make sure that they have many eyes on them. ITP bugs often get feedback from readers of debian-devel. I think this is valuable. However, it's one job/task/role, and sometimes One wishes to focus on other jobs/tasks/roles