Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-11 Thread Michael Stutz
Joe Wreschnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a document, and what is a program? How can Debian even begin to distinguish what makes free documentation different from free software when we can't distinguish whether a particular piece of data is software or documentation in the first place?

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-08 Thread Mark Eichin
How about: /usr/bin/latex is a program - my_neat_little_phdthesis.tex is a file? Actually, /usr/bin/latex is an interpreter. my_neat_little_phdthesis.tex *is* program code, even though the vast proportion of the content will be literal text for output. See Andrew Greene's BASiX (BASIC

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards)

2002-04-08 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:22:53PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 09:29:27PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: IMO, an FDL-licensed document with invariant sections is non-free. As a user of Debian, I'd like to know that they're not installed on my system if I'm only

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards)

2002-04-08 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:24:44PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: The FDL is not DFSG-compliant, but that doesn't make it non-free. By the definitions we have given non-free, it is exactly that. If it was software, it was non-free. Our definitions are only about software. The GNU FDL is

The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:12:47PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 06:14, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: people, i just want to remember you that DFSG stands for debian free SOFTWARE guidelines. documentation is *not* software Unfortunately this is becoming less true. CSS

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 14:29, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Unfortunately this is becoming less true. CSS contains statements for content generation and counting variables. Is this a program? I'm not sure, but it's definitely not just a document anymore. XSLT can be included as documentation (and

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Il lun, 2002-04-08 alle 00:15, Joe Wreschnig ha scritto: On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 14:29, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: Unfortunately this is becoming less true. CSS contains statements for content generation and counting variables. Is this a program? I'm not sure, but it's definitely not just a

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:15:16PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: In fact, XML and HTML (and I would imagine therefore CSS and XSLT) are explicitly listed as transparent formats. I'm not going to argue that. The problems, although they're transparent, they're programs as well as documents.

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:15:16PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 14:29, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: It's possible to draw a line. The GNU FDL clearly describes what a Transparant copy is for example. Whether or not it describes what a transparent copy is is irrelevant. In

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 09:29:27PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: IMO, an FDL-licensed document with invariant sections is non-free. As a user of Debian, I'd like to know that they're not installed on my system if I'm only using packages from main. The FDL is not DFSG-compliant, but that

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Adam Olsen
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:22:51AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:15:16PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: In fact, XML and HTML (and I would imagine therefore CSS and XSLT) are explicitly listed as transparent formats. I'm not going to argue that. The problems, although