Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 08:08:39AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran it through diffstat, and removed the files which are created entirely by the patch, so these are the changes to common code: I've had a look and it appears to be acceptable.

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran it through diffstat, and removed the files which are created entirely by the patch, so these are the changes to common code: I've had a look and it appears to be acceptable. Please file a bug report against kernel and I'll probably include it

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-24 Thread Herbert Xu
David Z Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...do you include *everything* that comes by you that meets these criteria? Because from this it sounds like anything that has an upstream that can be built as modules would be included. My particular directed thought right now is a somewhat invasive

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, these are very minimal criteria, and I think that probably many of the kernel-patch packages in Debian would fit them. Where would you draw the line? Most of them fail the maintainence check. Unless the patch is clearly going to be merged

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:08:07AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I currently patch my kernels with device-mapper, a few evms-related patches and skas3. It would be very convenient if device-mapper and the evms patches could be included in the the stock

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-22 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'm curious why you chose to make it a part of the Debian kernel source, rather than a separate patch (kernel-patch-ipsec or such). Well the reason for it to be in the default kernel-source is simple: The patch should be used on all default Debian

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-22 Thread David Z Maze
Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'm curious why you chose to make it a part of the Debian kernel source, rather than a separate patch (kernel-patch-ipsec or such). Well the reason for it to be in the default kernel-source is simple: The

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:30:28PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'm curious why you chose to make it a part of the Debian kernel source, rather than a separate patch (kernel-patch-ipsec or such). Well the reason for it to be in the default

To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:41:41PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: I've got a few points for you: * The vanilla kernel source is readily available: apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.22 kernel-patch-debian-2.4.22 tar xjf /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.22.tar.bz2 cd kernel-source-2.4.22

To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 03:54:15PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: I run vanilla sources anyhow, so I am not too concerned as a user. But as a maintainer of a kernel patch, I am not willing to modify the source to make it fit the inofficial kernel Debian provides. If I were to do so, I'd have

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-21 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.21.1906 +0200]: Why would you have to remove features? I routinely modify my patch packages to apply to Debian kernel source, and this has never required removing a feature. Because maybe you are a kernel hacker and have a clue. While I am

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-21 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.21.1857 +0200]: So, I'm curious why you chose to make it a part of the Debian kernel source, rather than a separate patch (kernel-patch-ipsec or such). Thanks, this is indeed the right questions. And so is this: I suppose the more

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-21 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:11:29PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Why would you have to remove features? I routinely modify my patch packages to apply to Debian kernel source, and this has never required removing a feature. Because maybe you are a kernel hacker and have a clue. While I am

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:11:29PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: Also, please explain: how is the normal kernel not DFSG but a derived version is? See the bottom of /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-2.4.22/README.Debian.gz -- - mdz

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-21 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Christoph Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.09.21.2301 +0200]: So you're maintaining a kernelpatch for debian that has sever security implication but you don't know enough about it and the code it touches to do some forward porting? I know enough about it; I don't (yet) know enough

Re: To what extent should Debian modify the kernel? (Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!)

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:01:51PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote: Debian seems to have problems with certain firmware images. Note that the way it's removed in kernel-source is rather useless to meet DFSG as it's a) still in the orig.tar.gz and b) many of the arch kernel patches back out