Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-04 Thread Norbert Preining
On Sa, 03 Jul 2010, Scott Kitterman wrote: No. It is ignorant anti-religious bigotry. Please take your prejudices elsewhere, they are quite unrelated to Debian development. Sorry .. please? Either stop insulting fellow people here, or bring arguments, but the rubbish you wrote is as much as

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-04 Thread Philip Hands
On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 20:54:21 +0900, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote: ... stop insulting ... ... the rubbish you wrote ... Hmm, very good, well done. ... or I will call for an ostracism ... That should be entertaining -- go for it! ;-) (at least it might be more fun than this thread

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote: On Sa, 03 Jul 2010, Scott Kitterman wrote: No. It is ignorant anti-religious bigotry. Please take your prejudices elsewhere, they are quite unrelated to Debian development. Sorry .. please? Either stop insulting fellow people here, or bring

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
The above URL has the license. I think that the concepts in the preamble are interesting, offering software to please Allah and denying the concept of ownership of Intellectual Property. Which is not only non-free in Debian, we can not distribute it. A software license is not allowed to

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 12164 March 1977, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: I really wonder how this (#579796), especially with such a license can even be considered for going into Debian (especially seeing it in the NEW queue yes I know, that this doesn't mean it has already been acceptet). Check again, this is

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Patrick Matthäi
Am 02.07.2010 08:57, schrieb Joerg Jaspert: The above URL has the license. I think that the concepts in the preamble are interesting, offering software to please Allah and denying the concept of ownership of Intellectual Property. Which is not only non-free in Debian, we can not

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
On 07/02/2010 12:53 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 00:39 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: The software is meant for non-free. Why it should be rejected? Even non-free stuff has to pass NEW for the first upload… See points (1-4) from my original post, which are not change

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 09:48 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: You seem to have missed some funny licenses already used in the non-free area. As an example, did you read http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/03/msg00064.html ? It's funny... yes... but there is no discriminatory or similar content

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 09:05 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Check again, this is meant for non-free, not main. Still do not see how this would change anything... well of course rules may say that we may put anything into non-free if it's distributable,... but then we need some better rules. Oh

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Holger Levsen
On Freitag, 2. Juli 2010, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/03/msg00064.html ? It's funny... yes... but there is no discriminatory or similar content in it. Huh? It clearly discriminates evil-doers! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Mohammad Ebrahim Mohammadi Panah
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote: Oh suure. We are all about freedom, but please no religional stuff. Oh, and while we are at, get away with porn. And alcohol is bad too, anything that can help people there, get away. Thats not how it

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 16:12 +0430, Mohammad Ebrahim Mohammadi Panah wrote: I guess it's quite easy for to judge things like this using common sense... I don't think my common sense is anything near yours. Isn't Debian supposed to be for all of us? Well... then apparently at least not for the

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:12:55 +0430, Mohammad Ebrahim Mohammadi Panah ebra...@mohammadi.ir wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote: Oh suure. We are all about freedom, but please no religional stuff. Oh, and while we are at, get away with

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 02 juillet 2010 à 13:25 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer a écrit : 4) The license is extremely anti-American, and I guess also anti-European/anti-Western. Doesnt matter. Although you may be right from the what allows non-free point of view,.. but in all doing respect,.. this

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Mohammad Ebrahim Mohammadi Panah
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Matthias Klumpp matth...@nlinux.org wrote: On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 16:12:55 +0430, Mohammad Ebrahim Mohammadi Panah ebra...@mohammadi.ir wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote: Oh suure. We are all about

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On 07/02/2010 06:33 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: On Freitag, 2. Juli 2010, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/03/msg00064.html ? It's funny... yes... but there is no discriminatory or similar content in it. Huh? It clearly discriminates evil-doers! I

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Check again, this is meant for non-free, not main. Still do not see how this would change anything... well of course rules may say that we may put anything into non-free if it's distributable,... but then we need some better rules. Every DD can start a GR to change the rules. To drop

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Holger Levsen
On Freitag, 2. Juli 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: Huh? It clearly discriminates evil-doers! I *think* that's sarcasm, but not sure... No. Why? What $you think is evil $I might think is not. So if $you discriminate evil-doing, you discriminate $me. I dont get why one discrimination of use cases

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 02 juillet 2010 à 19:42 +0200, Holger Levsen a écrit : On Freitag, 2. Juli 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: Huh? It clearly discriminates evil-doers! I *think* that's sarcasm, but not sure... No. Why? What $you think is evil $I might think is not. So if $you discriminate

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 09:05:52AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Oh suure. We are all about freedom, but please no religional stuff. Oh, and while we are at, get away with porn. And alcohol is bad too, anything that can help people there, get away. Thats not how it works, we cant ask

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hey Well I guess that it's much easier to judge what's evil and what's not. Typically all peoples that took part in the Enlightenment a scientific development came to similar rules, which you can find things like: - Universal Declaration of Human Rights - European Convention on Human Rights

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote: Hey Well I guess that it's much easier to judge what's evil and what's not. Typically all peoples that took part in the Enlightenment a scientific development came to similar rules, which you can find things like: - Universal

Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi. WTF?! I really wonder how this (#579796), especially with such a license can even be considered for going into Debian (especially seeing it in the NEW queue yes I know, that this doesn't mean it has already been acceptet). 1) I'm generally quite sceptical about putting religious stuff

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Patrick Matthäi
Am 02.07.2010 00:21, schrieb Christoph Anton Mitterer: 4) The license is extremely anti-American, and I guess also anti-European/anti-Western. IMHO I think it does not comply with the DFSG, but it is still in NEW and I trust the ftp-masters, that it will be rejected. I don't see a reason to

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
On 07/02/2010 12:34 AM, Patrick Matthäi wrote: Am 02.07.2010 00:21, schrieb Christoph Anton Mitterer: 4) The license is extremely anti-American, and I guess also anti-European/anti-Western. IMHO I think it does not comply with the DFSG, but it is still in NEW and I trust the ftp-masters,

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 12:21:51AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: 1) I'm generally quite sceptical about putting religious stuff into Debian (regardless of which religion we're talking about). This simply opens the gates for so many problems, politically, morally, etc. Perhaps a

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 00:34 +0200, Patrick Matthäi wrote: There are also groups of people, which see porn as quite problematic at all, but we have got pornviewer e.g.. The software does not discrimate anyone, so why should we care about it? Good argument... The question however is,... who

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote: 3) The license contains many places which can be considered discriminatory, racist or fundamentalist. Apart from that... religious stuff shouldn't go into a license. http://www.ojuba.org/wiki/waqf/license The above URL

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread brian m. carlson
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 12:21:51AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: 2) How can the ftp-masters actually check whether this complies with the DFSG. As far as I can see from the English translation, it is not legally binding, and only the Arabic version is. I guess none of our ftp-masters

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Patrick Matthäi
Am 02.07.2010 00:45, schrieb Russell Coker: On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote: 3) The license contains many places which can be considered discriminatory, racist or fundamentalist. Apart from that... religious stuff shouldn't go into a license.

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 00:39 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: The software is meant for non-free. Why it should be rejected? Even non-free stuff has to pass NEW for the first upload… See points (1-4) from my original post, which are not change at all by using non-free. I mean even something like: The

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:45 +, brian m. carlson wrote: I believe there is precedent for this. I remember seeing a program under a license written entirely in Japanese. When translated by a DD fluent in Japanese, it was found to be a simple 3-clause BSD-style license which is entirely

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread brian m. carlson
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 12:56:50AM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: Furthermore, such restrictions are unenforcable under US copyright law But Debian is not (only) under US law. This is true. That's why I said: Copyright law may differ in other countries. I'm just pointing out that

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 02 Jul 2010, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: I really wonder how this (#579796), especially with such a license can even be considered for going into Debian (especially seeing it in the NEW queue yes I know, that this doesn't mean it has already been acceptet). One more data point

Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?

2010-07-01 Thread deb...@kitterman.com
Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote: Hi. WTF?! I really wonder how this (#579796), especially with such a license can even be considered for going into Debian (especially seeing it in the NEW queue yes I know, that this doesn't mean it has already been acceptet). I trust